Forum/Hunting and Shooting/Non-toxic Shot in .410 for varmints...

Non-toxic Shot in .410 for varmints...

2,403 viewsยท12 repliesยทby Roccus7
Roccus7
Roccus7MOD2020#1
Learned Colleagues:

Let me put provide some background here. I stopped hunting just as steel shot was introduced. Yeah, I know that was soon after the invention of gun powder... ๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜‰ Back then steel was horrible and the conventional wisdom was "NFW!!!"

OK, fast forward to today. My varmint gun is a .410 and I live right on the water in a high eagle population area. After dropping a varmint I often "bury them at sea" or just let the stay where they dropped if I kill them far enough from the house to not worry about the stench of decay. However, I'm starting to have a guilt trip about using lead to shoot hated varmints, usually porcupines. I picked up some 3" tungsten loads back in the spring, but the price is horrid, we're talking $5.50 a round.

Today was the first day I had to fire this load at a BIG porcupine. Granted, my 1st 2 shots were from behind the critter because of the "lay of the land" and where Porky was up in the tree. I hit him both times by virtue of the jolt he made, but it still didn't fall. At least the second shot caused him to turn around so I had a clean head shot for the 3rd, fatal shot.

Needless to say, I wasn't impressed with the performance of the tungsten. Up to today it never took more than 2 shots to drop these suckers with lead, and it was rare that I had to even use a second shot, usually only when the initial shot had to be taken from a less than perfect position.

So, being the cheap SOB that I am, I'm looking to save a few bucks on non-toxic loads and the most inexpensive is steel. Therefore the following questions:
  • Is steel's dropping power the same or better than tungsten? I wouldn't dare ask if it's close to lead...

  • Would I be better off going to bismuth, which still costs a fortune?

  • Are the current steel loads as damaging to barrels as the original offerings? Granted, my .410 is a cheapo single shot gun that I never clean so I'm not that concerned, but figured I had to ask...

  • Any other wisdom you can impart?
Thanks in advance,
R7
AdmiralOriginal Crew21,694 postsSince 2018
cany
canyMOD2020#2
Use a bigger gun lol
AdmiralOriginal Crew40,955 postsSince 2018
Roccus7
Roccus7MOD2020#3
Use a bigger gun lol

If I pull out the 12 gauge 870 I'd feel guilty for not cleaning it after dropping Porky. I do have some old Bismuth loads for that...
AdmiralOriginal Crew21,694 postsSince 2018
cany
canyMOD2020#4
Better to put Porky to sleep with one shot............... 870's dont cleaning after every shot
AdmiralOriginal Crew40,955 postsSince 2018
BennyV
BennyVFREE2020#5
You need one of these:
1602116918771.gif
CommodoreOriginal Crew5,665 postsSince 2018
BennyV
BennyVFREE2020#6
Or this:

1602116988520.gif
CommodoreOriginal Crew5,665 postsSince 2018
pequa1
pequa1MOD2020#7
Better to put Porky to sleep with one shot............... 870's dont cleaning after every shot
True, but he is probably like me, the gun gets cleaned same evening one shot or one hundred shots...

Funny but on the high school rifle team I don't think the coach cleaned the .22s more than once a year. Run by a Vietnam SFC in the ROTC dept., my college varsity team cleaned their target .22s every practice, every match. I never did see the difference accuracy wise.
CommodoreOriginal Crew7,027 postsSince 2018
Roccus7
Roccus7MOD2020#8
True, but he is probably like me, the gun gets cleaned same evening one shot or one hundred shots...

You got that right. Your thoughts on steel???
AdmiralOriginal Crew21,694 postsSince 2018
pequa1
pequa1MOD2020#9
Steel ? As a cartridge case, OK in my AR and pistols, but have no experience using steel shot. I converted my Mossy 500 to a deer gun (wish I could lighten the trigger !) and I would have to change to a non-rifled barrel rather than ruin mine. (For deer, only allowed slugs on the Lawnguyland of Newyorkistan, no buck shot.)
CommodoreOriginal Crew7,027 postsSince 2018
Old Mud
Old MudFREE2020#10
You need one of these:
View attachment 25560


Ben, did you see that whole Vid. ? That truck was toast.
CommodoreOriginal Crew5,182 postsSince 2018
Old Mud
Old MudFREE2020#11
Dom, I don't think there would be an advantage using tungsten in a .410 other than the obvious reason they make them. Not for killing power. I also wouldn;t think bismuth would be any better. My opinion is your just not using enough lead to hurt anything. It's not like your out there duck hunting,blowing off 20 or so 12 gauge #4 shot 8 or 10 times a season.

You could use a 22 short with 1 projectile. Little to worry about there.

JMHO.
CommodoreOriginal Crew5,182 postsSince 2018
Roccus7
Roccus7MOD2020#12
Dom, I don't think there would be an advantage using tungsten in a .410 other than the obvious reason they make them. Not for killing power. I also wouldn;t think bismuth would be any better. My opinion is your just not using enough lead to hurt anything. It's not like your out there duck hunting,blowing off 20 or so 12 gauge #4 shot 8 or 10 times a season.

You could use a 22 short with 1 projectile. Little to worry about there.

JMHO.

The gun has a .22 barrel, BUT I'm leery to use them because of the houses across the river so I line up an "over the river shot" not to endanger my next door neighbors At lest with the .410 I don't worry about shot going astray...
AdmiralOriginal Crew21,694 postsSince 2018
Old Mud
Old MudFREE2021#13
Hi bud, If you know anyone who reloads shot shells this will help you.

https://www.rotometals.com/bismuth-shot/
CommodoreOriginal Crew5,182 postsSince 2018

Sign in to reply to this thread.