Parkland incompetency

UNPREPARED AND OVERWHELMED

This is a horrific read. Only the teachers on the second floor seemed to have working brains. Peterson and Israel are lucky someone hasn't shot them (yet)

Unreal. So many mistakes. Scary.

Gun-free zone. 'Nuff said.

Gun-free zone. 'Nuff said.

Always crazy to me that there are so many retired LEO and so little in the way of volunteer opportunities to protect local schools.

volunteer ? heh heh heh

Every school in existence has a fire drill. In today's world every school, school employee, student and every law enforcement officer should have a drill for this together. There should be an established command post for police and another one for at least 5 established school employee's to stay in school communicating over p/a and 3 more as liaison at police C/P. Or at least something like that.

Under the desk ! Duck and cover. Face away from the windows. Or out into the hallway, kneel, heads down touch the lockers ! Those were the days. Of course we were six miles from Grumman and five from Republic, lol.

volunteer ? heh heh heh

I only say volunteer because there are a few older retired guys I know that would love to get out of the house and feel like they are doing something

Would much rather see combat vets who have been shot at and shot back than a retired LEO who only has unholstered once a year at the range. This is not the time to just be yelling “drop the gun !”

Agreed. Witness the recent event in NYC. Guy with a fake gun kills one police officer and wounds another. I don't think you want that $#it show charging in to your kid's school.

Agreed. Witness the recent event in NYC. Guy with a fake gun kills one police officer and wounds another. I don't think you want that $#it show charging in to your kid's school.

True.

Well which is it, some of you sound a bit Whishy Washy?

I feel the guns, in the right hands belong there and elsewhere.

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I don’t think anyone is wishy washy but imho a kid entering a school brandishing a gun needs to be taken out immediately and with overwhelming, lethal force. Period.

I don’t think anyone is wishy washy but imho a kid entering a school brandishing a gun needs to be taken out immediately and with overwhelming, lethal force. Period.

Agreed.

Not wishy washy here. Just trying to figure out the best course of action for protection moving forward.

Coming from the gun mod, this will sound like sacrilege to many of my fellow hunters and shooters, but national background checks AND additionally, investigations for all handgun applicants, and red flagging and identifying and preventing nut jobs and mental defectives from access to firearms would have stopped some of these tragedies. I would rather see some guy taking psychotropic drugs having to appeal in court for his 2A rights than see the consequences of not seizing his guns. Having done national security background investigations for most of my fed. career, I know that some spies and sell-outs slipped through, but how many were stopped, and how many were stopped before they had a chance to betray, knowing they could not pass a background? (I just know someone will bring up the Happyland Social Club...)

We already have national background checks. I do agree about flagging mental health records, and improving access to treatment. But like everything else it has to be done carefully and with regard to due process.

Now, without getting into a long rant. Sometime probably the early 1960s, the FBI did an extensive study on school shooting scenarios and reported a list of recommendations starting with perimeter and access control. Is this news to anybody? Probably, because not stitch of it was followed until recently. I suspect most of the leftists that inhabit our educational system find the concept of violence and firearms so abhorrent that even discussing such things offends their delicate sensibilities to the point of giving them the vapors. It's only in the last couple of years that my kid's schools have instituted any kind of serious access control. Reading the Parkland report indicates a clear failure of the exact same nature. What does it take to get schools to take this seriously? Or are they willing to sacrifice kids to further their agenda? It's bad enough that I would almost start to believe that.

Deterrence is probably the most significant part of security. These defects like soft targets where they can exercise power. Knowing that a competently trained armed resistance is likely, whether it's security or staff or a police force that's actually willing to go in and do their job competently would be enough, in most cases, to make these loons change their plans. Parkland Schools and the PD there deter nothing, and probably encourage things by letting this clown do so much damage and get away with it. What a disgrace.

And look at that, I got into a big long rant anyway. Sorry. 🙁

No we can do better on this as well:
In 2017 a study confirmed that 22% of people did not undergo a background check for their most recent purchase that year. Why ?--
States that Require a Background Check at the Point of Transfer
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only)
Nevada (law not currently enforced)
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania (handguns only)
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
States that Require Permits for Private Purchasers after Background Checks (not as effective, but its something)
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa (handguns only)
Massachusetts
Michigan (handguns only)
Nebraska (handguns only)
New Jersey
North Carolina (handguns only)
this leaves quite a few, although you do have to provide ID to buy beer in most of the rest.
and compared to the national security investigations that I performed and went through myself, the checks that are done for pistol licenses and the even easier NICS for just buying a shotgun are a farce. (You know of anyone that was denied a pistol license it might be best to stay far away. )

Background check is federal law for any sale or transfer by an FFL. Even at gun shows. You can't reasonably expect the NICS and local PD background checks to be as extensive as national security checks. They're only looking for a criminal history which should be a simple search of public records.

Many states do not require a background check at gun shows. Major loophole... and just maybe, the NICS checks should be more extensive. Until the DMH records are included in every state's submissions to NICS, we are left with mental defectives obtaining access to firearms.

Which states have closed the gun show loophole?
Only six states (California, Colorado, Illinois, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island) require universal background checks on allfirearm sales at gun shows, including sales by unlicensed dealers. Three more states (Connecticut, Maryland and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun sales made at gun shows. Eight other states (Hawaii, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, Nebraska and North Carolina) require purchasers to obtain a permit and undergo a background check before buying a handgun. 33 states have taken no action whatsoever to close the gun show loophole.

Still required for FFLs which are the majority of transactions at shows. So how many of the psychos bought their weapons at a gun show? And I do agree, and said earlier that mental health should be included as long as it follows due process.