[FONT=arial]This girl is batshit crazy![/FONT]
**[FONT=georgia]Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work [/FONT]**
[FONT=arial]Her website took down this joke within a day, but it lives on the Internet![/FONT]
[[FONT=arial]**[COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]Green New Deal resolution[/COLOR]**[/FONT]]('https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf')
AOC's New Green Deal
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Apparently this is the bill. It makes me wonder if we should have given the SOTU to the 29 year coffee server.
The outline must have been pulled from the internet.
[[SIZE=7]**[FONT=georgia][COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]Green New Deal FINAL[/COLOR][/FONT]**[/SIZE]]('https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729033-Green-New-Deal-FINAL')
The outline must have been pulled from the internet.
[[SIZE=7]**[FONT=georgia][COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)]Green New Deal FINAL[/COLOR][/FONT]**[/SIZE]]('https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729033-Green-New-Deal-FINAL')
CommodoreOriginal Crew9,821 postsSince 2018
Nonbinding resolutions are pretty much party platform language...but regardless, the problem I see is no mention of nuclear power as a bridge towards safe renewables.
I find the social justice aspect of the "new left" ridiculous, but a sweeping vision of green energy, with us (not China) at the helm...is wayyy overdue. The future economic prosperity of this country...decades of innovation...might depend on it. Saving the planet we live on isn't a bad side effect :)
I find the social justice aspect of the "new left" ridiculous, but a sweeping vision of green energy, with us (not China) at the helm...is wayyy overdue. The future economic prosperity of this country...decades of innovation...might depend on it. Saving the planet we live on isn't a bad side effect :)
First MateOriginal Crew258 postsSince 2018
> Have you read about NJ's proposed "rain tax"?
Hmmm...
*Scores of New Jersey communities are prone to chronic flooding.
The state's rivers, bays and lakes and even some of its most serene brooks are routinely hammered by runoff pollution.
That much is agreed upon by most Democratic and Republican lawmakers.
How to solve pollution caused by runoff is another matter.
Democratic lawmakers and environmental groups have hailed[ a bill passed last week ]('https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A3000/2694_S2.HTM')that would allow towns, counties and local authorities to charge property owners a fee based on how much they contribute to runoff to pay for upgrades to stormwater systems.
Republicans and business groups blasted the measure, saying it provides another way for governments to collect revenues from an already overtaxed private sector.
[SIZE=6]**How polluted are New Jersey's waters?**[/SIZE]
Many of New Jersey's rivers, lakes and other bodies of water are[ in better shape ]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/environment/2018/09/12/meadowlands-now-haven-birds-according-audubon/1123676002/')than in previous decades, thanks to the slow implementation of the 1972 Clean Water Act, which has curbed sewage discharges and runoff.
But they are [are still so impaired]('https://www.nj.gov/dep/dsr/trends/surfacewater-physical.pdf') that 65 percent cannot support drinking water supplies, 75 percent cannot be used for recreation and 85 percent cannot support aquatic life.
*
[LIST]
[*]*In North Jersey, the Ramapo, Pompton, Passaic, Saddle and Hackensack rivers, as well as the Ho-Ho-Kus and Pascack brooks, have excessive phosphorus that has harmed aquatic life. Excessive bacteria have limited recreational activity. Fish have been found to have mercury and PCB in their tissue at levels that could affect human health. *
[*]*North and Central Jersey are also plagued by[ antiquated combined sewage outfalls]('https://www.jerseywaterworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NJ-CSOs-Fact-Sheet-UPDATED.pdf')— dozens of systems that combine sewage and stormwater pipes. As much as 23 billion gallons of sewage-tainted water pours into the Hudson, Hackensack, Passaic, Raritan and Elizabeth rivers during heavy rainstorms.*
[*]*Along the Jersey Shore, Barnegat Bay is also slowly recovering, but is [still full of nutrients]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/local/land-environment/enviroguy/2016/06/15/barnegat-bay-still-troubled/85939764/') that can fuel smothering algae blooms and reduce oxygen.*
[/LIST]
*
Climate change continues to present problems for New Jersey's aging infrastructure. The[ state was pummeled ]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/weather/2019/01/02/2018-wettest-record-new-jersey-climate-change-global-warming/2465222002/')with more precipitation in 2018 than in any other year since record keeping began in 1895.
[SIZE=6]**What does the bill do?**[/SIZE]
The bill, S-1073, does not directly impose any fees on property owners.
Instead, it allows municipalities and counties to create their own local stormwater utilities that could then charge property owners a fee based on "a fair and equitable approximation" of how much runoff is generated from their property.
The utility could then use the funds generated by the fees only on its system, such as reinforcing or replacing pipes or creating green infrastructure like rain gardens and tree planting to absorb water that would otherwise carry trash, bacteria and heavy metals.
"This is a tool that would only be used by towns that recognize they have a problem," said Chris Sturm, a water policy expert with New Jersey Future, a nonprofit that advocates a balance between economic development and environmental protection. "It's an important tool. It's one that can make a significant difference in the right towns."
[SIZE=6]**Is this a 'rain tax'?**[/SIZE]
Republicans and other critics have referred to the bill as a "rain tax."
The bill imposes a fee on properties designated by the local utility. It does not impose a wide-ranging tax on a community.
"Flooding and runoff are problems, but you shouldn't create unfair authorities with uneven taxing practices," said Sen. Tom Kean Jr., the Republican leader.
Kean said the bill allows local government too much discretion over who would be charged.
"You're creating a new layer of government that will not be regulated," he said. "The concern is uneven enforcement."
Supporters say this would not target single-family homes but instead large commercial properties like strip malls or office parks, where large amounts of asphalt and concrete allow stormwater to easily flow offsite, gather pollutants and discharge into a waterway.
"The bill allows discretion for the local utility, because different places require different solutions," Sturm said. "This will be negligible for the vast majority of homeowners. This is for properties that have large impervious surfaces."
[SIZE=6]**How much will it cost?**[/SIZE]
It's not cheap.
Upgrading New Jersey's stormwater system would cost $15.6 billion, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
The fiscal impact of the bill could not be determined by the Office of Legislative Services because it gives the local utility a great deal of discretion in determining fees. Sturm said the state Department of Environmental Protection would offer towns guidance on fees.
**It's not your imagination: **['Seesaw' temperatures causing more potholes on aging NJ roadways]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/clifton/2019/02/06/northern-jersey-nj-poorly-maintained-roads-breeding-ground-potholes/2726692002/')
**Crime: **[School janitor threatens suicide before arrest for allegedly installing bathroom camera]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/local/2019/02/05/school-janitor-threatens-suicide-after-being-arrest-for-installing-hidden-bathroom-camera/2776128002/')
**Americans waste nearly half their food: **[How can we reduce food waste in New Jersey?]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/life/food/2018/07/25/americans-waste-near-half-their-food-how-can-we-reduce-food-waste-nj/628718002/')
[SIZE=6]**What's next? **[/SIZE]
The bill passed the Senate and Assembly last week. Gov. Phil Murphy has 40 days to sign it into law.
If signed, the DEP will likely spend considerable time developing rules for the law. Then towns and counties need to determine whether they need such a utility. Local officials will then decide if they have the political will to issue fees to large property owners - some of whom are already pay among the highest property taxes in that community.*
Hmmm...
*Scores of New Jersey communities are prone to chronic flooding.
The state's rivers, bays and lakes and even some of its most serene brooks are routinely hammered by runoff pollution.
That much is agreed upon by most Democratic and Republican lawmakers.
How to solve pollution caused by runoff is another matter.
Democratic lawmakers and environmental groups have hailed[ a bill passed last week ]('https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A3000/2694_S2.HTM')that would allow towns, counties and local authorities to charge property owners a fee based on how much they contribute to runoff to pay for upgrades to stormwater systems.
Republicans and business groups blasted the measure, saying it provides another way for governments to collect revenues from an already overtaxed private sector.
[SIZE=6]**How polluted are New Jersey's waters?**[/SIZE]
Many of New Jersey's rivers, lakes and other bodies of water are[ in better shape ]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/environment/2018/09/12/meadowlands-now-haven-birds-according-audubon/1123676002/')than in previous decades, thanks to the slow implementation of the 1972 Clean Water Act, which has curbed sewage discharges and runoff.
But they are [are still so impaired]('https://www.nj.gov/dep/dsr/trends/surfacewater-physical.pdf') that 65 percent cannot support drinking water supplies, 75 percent cannot be used for recreation and 85 percent cannot support aquatic life.
*
[LIST]
[*]*In North Jersey, the Ramapo, Pompton, Passaic, Saddle and Hackensack rivers, as well as the Ho-Ho-Kus and Pascack brooks, have excessive phosphorus that has harmed aquatic life. Excessive bacteria have limited recreational activity. Fish have been found to have mercury and PCB in their tissue at levels that could affect human health. *
[*]*North and Central Jersey are also plagued by[ antiquated combined sewage outfalls]('https://www.jerseywaterworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NJ-CSOs-Fact-Sheet-UPDATED.pdf')— dozens of systems that combine sewage and stormwater pipes. As much as 23 billion gallons of sewage-tainted water pours into the Hudson, Hackensack, Passaic, Raritan and Elizabeth rivers during heavy rainstorms.*
[*]*Along the Jersey Shore, Barnegat Bay is also slowly recovering, but is [still full of nutrients]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/local/land-environment/enviroguy/2016/06/15/barnegat-bay-still-troubled/85939764/') that can fuel smothering algae blooms and reduce oxygen.*
[/LIST]
*
Climate change continues to present problems for New Jersey's aging infrastructure. The[ state was pummeled ]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/weather/2019/01/02/2018-wettest-record-new-jersey-climate-change-global-warming/2465222002/')with more precipitation in 2018 than in any other year since record keeping began in 1895.
[SIZE=6]**What does the bill do?**[/SIZE]
The bill, S-1073, does not directly impose any fees on property owners.
Instead, it allows municipalities and counties to create their own local stormwater utilities that could then charge property owners a fee based on "a fair and equitable approximation" of how much runoff is generated from their property.
The utility could then use the funds generated by the fees only on its system, such as reinforcing or replacing pipes or creating green infrastructure like rain gardens and tree planting to absorb water that would otherwise carry trash, bacteria and heavy metals.
"This is a tool that would only be used by towns that recognize they have a problem," said Chris Sturm, a water policy expert with New Jersey Future, a nonprofit that advocates a balance between economic development and environmental protection. "It's an important tool. It's one that can make a significant difference in the right towns."
[SIZE=6]**Is this a 'rain tax'?**[/SIZE]
Republicans and other critics have referred to the bill as a "rain tax."
The bill imposes a fee on properties designated by the local utility. It does not impose a wide-ranging tax on a community.
"Flooding and runoff are problems, but you shouldn't create unfair authorities with uneven taxing practices," said Sen. Tom Kean Jr., the Republican leader.
Kean said the bill allows local government too much discretion over who would be charged.
"You're creating a new layer of government that will not be regulated," he said. "The concern is uneven enforcement."
Supporters say this would not target single-family homes but instead large commercial properties like strip malls or office parks, where large amounts of asphalt and concrete allow stormwater to easily flow offsite, gather pollutants and discharge into a waterway.
"The bill allows discretion for the local utility, because different places require different solutions," Sturm said. "This will be negligible for the vast majority of homeowners. This is for properties that have large impervious surfaces."
[SIZE=6]**How much will it cost?**[/SIZE]
It's not cheap.
Upgrading New Jersey's stormwater system would cost $15.6 billion, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
The fiscal impact of the bill could not be determined by the Office of Legislative Services because it gives the local utility a great deal of discretion in determining fees. Sturm said the state Department of Environmental Protection would offer towns guidance on fees.
**It's not your imagination: **['Seesaw' temperatures causing more potholes on aging NJ roadways]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/clifton/2019/02/06/northern-jersey-nj-poorly-maintained-roads-breeding-ground-potholes/2726692002/')
**Crime: **[School janitor threatens suicide before arrest for allegedly installing bathroom camera]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/local/2019/02/05/school-janitor-threatens-suicide-after-being-arrest-for-installing-hidden-bathroom-camera/2776128002/')
**Americans waste nearly half their food: **[How can we reduce food waste in New Jersey?]('https://www.northjersey.com/story/life/food/2018/07/25/americans-waste-near-half-their-food-how-can-we-reduce-food-waste-nj/628718002/')
[SIZE=6]**What's next? **[/SIZE]
The bill passed the Senate and Assembly last week. Gov. Phil Murphy has 40 days to sign it into law.
If signed, the DEP will likely spend considerable time developing rules for the law. Then towns and counties need to determine whether they need such a utility. Local officials will then decide if they have the political will to issue fees to large property owners - some of whom are already pay among the highest property taxes in that community.*
CommodoreOriginal Crew9,821 postsSince 2018
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NJ to tax those who have asphalt ?
I wonder when the State will begin to tax itself , after all they 'own' a fair amount of roadways ....
I often wonder why more roads are made of cement , sure they cost more initially but they seem to last forever and they are not made of oil .....
I wonder when the State will begin to tax itself , after all they 'own' a fair amount of roadways ....
I often wonder why more roads are made of cement , sure they cost more initially but they seem to last forever and they are not made of oil .....
First MateOriginal Crew711 postsSince 2018
> NJ to tax those who have asphalt ?
I wonder when the State will begin to tax itself , after all they 'own' a fair amount of roadways ....
I often wonder why more roads are made of cement , sure they cost more initially but they seem to last forever and they are not made of oil .....
Based on nothing more than observation, I think most of the interstates are initially constructed of concrete, but then they use asphalt for repairs/repaving. I've always assumed that they use asphalt because it sets up much quicker than concrete. You can drive on compressed asphalt almost immediately, vs the few days it would take the same thickness of concrete to harden.
I wonder when the State will begin to tax itself , after all they 'own' a fair amount of roadways ....
I often wonder why more roads are made of cement , sure they cost more initially but they seem to last forever and they are not made of oil .....
Based on nothing more than observation, I think most of the interstates are initially constructed of concrete, but then they use asphalt for repairs/repaving. I've always assumed that they use asphalt because it sets up much quicker than concrete. You can drive on compressed asphalt almost immediately, vs the few days it would take the same thickness of concrete to harden.
First MateOriginal Crew710 postsSince 2018
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> Based on nothing more than observation, I think most of the interstates are initially constructed of concrete, but then they use asphalt for repairs/repaving. I've always assumed that they use asphalt because it sets up much quicker than concrete. You can drive on compressed asphalt almost immediately, vs the few days it would take the same thickness of concrete to harden.
Sure concrete takes time and more forms are needed , but the dust it creates is 'limestone / sand ' vs an oily residue from asphalt .... They seem to have to tear up the Long Island X way every few years , while cement surfaced roads seem to last 'forever '
Seems like the Gov takes the cheapest way out initially and ends up paying more in the long run .......Both dollar wise and environmental wise as well ....
Sure concrete takes time and more forms are needed , but the dust it creates is 'limestone / sand ' vs an oily residue from asphalt .... They seem to have to tear up the Long Island X way every few years , while cement surfaced roads seem to last 'forever '
Seems like the Gov takes the cheapest way out initially and ends up paying more in the long run .......Both dollar wise and environmental wise as well ....
First MateOriginal Crew711 postsSince 2018
> Sure concrete takes time and more forms are needed , but the dust it creates is 'limestone / sand ' vs an oily residue from asphalt .... They seem to have to tear up the Long Island X way every few years , while cement surfaced roads seem to last 'forever '
Seems like the Gov takes the cheapest way out initially and ends up paying more in the long run .......Both dollar wise and environmental wise as well ....
Geeze, the LIE was built what 65 years ago and you're complaining about repairs? :D I know that when they built I684 in the late 60's and early 70s they made a concrete road bed. And I'm pretty sure that they also used concrete to surface the new roads they built to connect the thruway to the new Tappan Zee (I'll never call it the Mario Cuomo) bridge.
Seems like the Gov takes the cheapest way out initially and ends up paying more in the long run .......Both dollar wise and environmental wise as well ....
Geeze, the LIE was built what 65 years ago and you're complaining about repairs? :D I know that when they built I684 in the late 60's and early 70s they made a concrete road bed. And I'm pretty sure that they also used concrete to surface the new roads they built to connect the thruway to the new Tappan Zee (I'll never call it the Mario Cuomo) bridge.
First MateOriginal Crew710 postsSince 2018
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> Geeze, the LIE was built what 65 years ago and you're complaining about repairs? :D I know that when they built I684 in the late 60's and early 70s they made a concrete road bed. And I'm pretty sure that they also used concrete to surface the new roads they built to connect the thruway to the new Tappan Zee (I'll never call it the Mario Cuomo) bridge.
Some of the Eastern LIE is concrete , they never had to touch it ... Seems like the Western LIE is continually closed somewhere overnight for resurfacing ........ Waste of $$$$$
My point is asphalt probably pollutes more than cement and in the long run costs more as well
Some of the Eastern LIE is concrete , they never had to touch it ... Seems like the Western LIE is continually closed somewhere overnight for resurfacing ........ Waste of $$$$$
My point is asphalt probably pollutes more than cement and in the long run costs more as well
First MateOriginal Crew711 postsSince 2018
LMFAO
[[COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)][SIZE=6][FONT=times new roman]Nation Breathes Sigh Of Relief As Ocasio-Cortez Comes Out Against Having Children [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]]('https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-breathes-sigh-of-relief-as-ocasio-cortez-comes-out-against-having-children')
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CommodoreOriginal Crew9,821 postsSince 2018
even CNN is having issues with her...........
[Airhead Alert: Ocasio-Cortez Declares Radical Leftist War on Moderate Democrats]('https://www.ccn.com/airhead-ocasio-cortez-declares-war-moderate-democrats')
Airhead Alert??
(y)(y)
[SIZE=6]**ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ WANTS TO BLACKLIST REASONABLE DEMOCRATS**[/SIZE]
Ocasio-Cortez — a self-declared socialist — threatened to put moderate Democrats on a hit list of people she’ll target to unseat at the next election, the [Washington Post]('https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-moderate-democrats-who-vote-with-republicans-are-putting-themselves-on-a-list') reported.
[AOC]('http://ccn.com/tag/alexandria-ocasio-cortez') and other far-left members of the splintered Democrat Party were furious this week after 24 moderate Democrats sided with Republicans on a bill that would expand background checks for gun purchases.
Ocasio-Cortez’s rep said she told her colleagues that [moderate Democrats]('https://www.ccn.com/us-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-bought-crypto-at-height-of-bull-market') who side with Republicans on this issue “are putting themselves on a [hit] list.”
While Democrats want restrictions on the Second Amendment, AOC and*** her motley crew of open-borders leftists*** were outraged that a provision requires ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) to be notified if illegal immigrants try to buy guns.
This goes against the leftist orthodoxy of rabidly promoting illegal immigration — regardless of the heavy financial burden and social costs to Americans.
Some 15 Americans are murdered every day by illegal immigrants – who collectively cost U.S. taxpayers [$116 billion every year]('https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers'), according to the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
================
so she's going to blacklist & try to unseat Moderate Democrats that side with the GOP when there is agreement to get something worthwhile passed. So she wants to eliminate compromise?
Doesn't she realize that compromise is the only way anything gets done?
Congress barely get anything done as it is.
[Airhead Alert: Ocasio-Cortez Declares Radical Leftist War on Moderate Democrats]('https://www.ccn.com/airhead-ocasio-cortez-declares-war-moderate-democrats')
Airhead Alert??
(y)(y)
[SIZE=6]**ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ WANTS TO BLACKLIST REASONABLE DEMOCRATS**[/SIZE]
Ocasio-Cortez — a self-declared socialist — threatened to put moderate Democrats on a hit list of people she’ll target to unseat at the next election, the [Washington Post]('https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-moderate-democrats-who-vote-with-republicans-are-putting-themselves-on-a-list') reported.
[AOC]('http://ccn.com/tag/alexandria-ocasio-cortez') and other far-left members of the splintered Democrat Party were furious this week after 24 moderate Democrats sided with Republicans on a bill that would expand background checks for gun purchases.
Ocasio-Cortez’s rep said she told her colleagues that [moderate Democrats]('https://www.ccn.com/us-presidential-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-bought-crypto-at-height-of-bull-market') who side with Republicans on this issue “are putting themselves on a [hit] list.”
While Democrats want restrictions on the Second Amendment, AOC and*** her motley crew of open-borders leftists*** were outraged that a provision requires ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) to be notified if illegal immigrants try to buy guns.
This goes against the leftist orthodoxy of rabidly promoting illegal immigration — regardless of the heavy financial burden and social costs to Americans.
Some 15 Americans are murdered every day by illegal immigrants – who collectively cost U.S. taxpayers [$116 billion every year]('https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers'), according to the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
================
so she's going to blacklist & try to unseat Moderate Democrats that side with the GOP when there is agreement to get something worthwhile passed. So she wants to eliminate compromise?
Doesn't she realize that compromise is the only way anything gets done?
Congress barely get anything done as it is.
AdmiralOriginal Crew20,900 postsSince 2018
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