Red Light Cameras on Long Island
I'll make a motion to get this thread back to the original concept (a question was never really asked). Red light cameras - good or bad? It might not be a 100% answer one way or the other.
Stats say accidents at these intersections are down - good, yes?
We're getting ticketed for going thru red lights, more so than if we rely on cops to enforce this - good or bad? Could go either way, depending on who you speak to
Result 1 is more cars obey the red light - good, yes?
Result 2 is your commute may take a wee bit longer - bad? Hardly
Correlation does not equal causation. IOW there may have been a less punitive solution than just hitting people with the enforcement hammer.
Most of the accidents at intersections are a result of poor traffic engineering and could be resolved with simple adjustments like longer yellows and all-red pauses. One step I would like is to see a countdown timer for the yellow. We see it at some intersections with crosswalks, but it's not universal. I realize that an actual timer display near the light is not in the US traffic code, but they exist in other countries and could be adopted here.
The problem with the real solutions is that they require effort and expenditure whereas the cameras cost the county nothing and generate revenue. Which option do you think your "leaders" will go for?
Hmmmm,... 🤔
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CaptainOriginal Crew3,431 postsSince 2019
Well Presented Mr.Avenger,
wonder if any of these anti bad driver peeps, stand at an average intersection and observe the whole cycle from Green, to Yellow, to Red and then Green for the cross flow, it’s 5 SECONDS max… cellfish…
wonder if any of these anti bad driver peeps, stand at an average intersection and observe the whole cycle from Green, to Yellow, to Red and then Green for the cross flow, it’s 5 SECONDS max… cellfish…
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CommodoreOriginal Crew18,289 postsSince 2019
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Correlation does not equal causation. IOW there may have been a less punitive solution than just hitting people with the enforcement hammer.
Most of the accidents at intersections are a result of poor traffic engineering and could be resolved with simple adjustments like longer yellows and all-red pauses. One step I would like is to see a countdown timer for the yellow. We see it at some intersections with crosswalks, but it's not universal. I realize that an actual timer display near the light is not in the US traffic code, but they exist in other countries and could be adopted here.
The problem with the real solutions is that they require effort and expenditure whereas the cameras cost the county nothing and generate revenue. Which option do you think your "leaders" will go for?
Hmmmm,... 🤔
I agree that adjustment to light timing should help reduce accidents, which is something I think everyone can agree upon is a good thing.
Now what about that one occasional outlier that just doesn't want to stop? Or stop then go through a red light? I've seen it plenty of times. Do/should we have enforcement? I think the answer will differ from the person driving through the red light and the person seeing others go through as they sit at the red light.
Mate65 postsSince 2020
Very well put.
I agree that adjustment to light timing should help reduce accidents, which is something I think everyone can agree upon is a good thing.
Now what about that one occasional outlier that just doesn't want to stop? Or stop then go through a red light? I've seen it plenty of times. Do/should we have enforcement? I think the answer will differ from the person driving through the red light and the person seeing others go through as they sit at the red light.
Adjust the timing first, then go to step two… video cameras will give a better result at crashes… cellfish…
Yeah, that.
I would expect that if intersections were properly engineered you'd see non-compliance drop to such a low level that traffic cameras wouldn't be profitable. If that's the case, then for the occasional outlier, because there's always that one farknut in a BMW that thinks the rules don't apply to them, then enforce away.
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CaptainOriginal Crew3,431 postsSince 2019
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Correlation does not equal causation. IOW there may have been a less punitive solution than just hitting people with the enforcement hammer.
Most of the accidents at intersections are a result of poor traffic engineering and could be resolved with simple adjustments like longer yellows and all-red pauses. One step I would like is to see a countdown timer for the yellow. We see it at some intersections with crosswalks, but it's not universal. I realize that an actual timer display near the light is not in the US traffic code, but they exist in other countries and could be adopted here.
The problem with the real solutions is that they require effort and expenditure whereas the cameras cost the county nothing and generate revenue. Which option do you think your "leaders" will go for?
Hmmmm,... 🤔
All over LI you see lights all bunched up about 200 feet apart, one turns Green , you drive 200 feet and stop , on and on . It's ridiculous and frustrates a lot of drivers. So many drivers on the road and they slow you down to a crawl. Certain roads like Hempstead Turnpike in Nassau should have lights that continually turn Green and you drive according to how fast the next light turns Green. You wouldn't have people driving 75 thru a Red Light.
First Mate704 postsSince 2021
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drivers Ed 101 ..pace yourself..problem is everybody things they drive great...
thats the second thing I taught my kids when they learned to drive ..first thing was no body stops at stop signs or lights ..
they should take down the red light camera's & put up stop sign camera's ..talk about a money grab OMG ..when was the last time you saw someone stop for a real three seconds at a stop sign ?
thats the second thing I taught my kids when they learned to drive ..first thing was no body stops at stop signs or lights ..
they should take down the red light camera's & put up stop sign camera's ..talk about a money grab OMG ..when was the last time you saw someone stop for a real three seconds at a stop sign ?
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CaptainOriginal Crew1,185 postsSince 2019
I was going to get into stop signs and speed limits. They both have the same problem. No engineering. How many times you you hear one of your dopey neighbors say "We need a stop sign on this block. People are driving too fast." Keep in mind, these people are driving "too fast" on someone else's block because it looks different inside the car than outside. Stop signs are not speed control devices. But momma bears and politicians don't understand that so they start planting them like appleseeds to appease the whiners. So you end up with stop sign fatigue and people rolling them because they're on every #@¢£ing corner. Start using them properly and I have no problem with enforcement.
Somebody bring up speed limits next so I can cover 85th percentile speeds.
Somebody bring up speed limits next so I can cover 85th percentile speeds.
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CaptainOriginal Crew3,431 postsSince 2019
I was going to get into stop signs and speed limits. They both have the same problem. No engineering. How many times you you hear one of your dopey neighbors say "We need a stop sign on this block. People are driving too fast." Keep in mind, these people are driving "too fast" on someone else's block because it looks different inside the car than outside. Stop signs are not speed control devices. But momma bears and politicians don't understand that so they start planting them like appleseeds to appease the whiners. So you end up with stop sign fatigue and people rolling them because they're on every #@¢£ing corner. Start using them properly and I have no problem with enforcement.
Somebody bring up speed limits next so I can cover 85th percentile speeds.
hows bout SPEED BUMPS + 100 feet, before stop signs at intersection where the neighbors cry STOP SIGNS... cellfish...
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CommodoreOriginal Crew18,289 postsSince 2019
although more so now, I do see some intersections giving pedestrians time to cross… cellfish…
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AdmiralOriginal Crew20,900 postsSince 2018
Making things unfriendly ( to cars)
Is the path the city is on
It’s a recipe for disaster
The out boroughs are traditional driver centric area
Screwing them after decades
Trying to force them onto pt
Is going to back fire
It already has
And they are making it worse every day
just another nail in the coffin
Is the path the city is on
It’s a recipe for disaster
The out boroughs are traditional driver centric area
Screwing them after decades
Trying to force them onto pt
Is going to back fire
It already has
And they are making it worse every day
just another nail in the coffin
Captain1,857 postsSince 2020
Well my input is not a red light camera issue but based on some of the responses from some peeps so far, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what I see on the roads.
My son got his permit last year. We did alot of driving together since drivers ed thru school was on line and remote.
It's amazing how shitty people act and drive on the roads towards someone that is following and obeying the rules. Just about every single day we are in the car we get beeped at if he sits at a stop sign for more than 2 seconds trying to decide if its safe to proceed. On back country roads people ride his ass and pass him on curvy double yellows when hes usually doing the speed limit or just slightly above. I need more hands and fingers to count the times we've been passed on the right shoulder of the sunrise or even back roads and montauk highway. More often than not we end up right behind those idiots at the next traffic light or stop sign so all their nonsense got them nowhere.....
He passed his road test and I have full confidence in him. Its the insane uptight nasty NY drivers he interacts with that worry me....
My son got his permit last year. We did alot of driving together since drivers ed thru school was on line and remote.
It's amazing how shitty people act and drive on the roads towards someone that is following and obeying the rules. Just about every single day we are in the car we get beeped at if he sits at a stop sign for more than 2 seconds trying to decide if its safe to proceed. On back country roads people ride his ass and pass him on curvy double yellows when hes usually doing the speed limit or just slightly above. I need more hands and fingers to count the times we've been passed on the right shoulder of the sunrise or even back roads and montauk highway. More often than not we end up right behind those idiots at the next traffic light or stop sign so all their nonsense got them nowhere.....
He passed his road test and I have full confidence in him. Its the insane uptight nasty NY drivers he interacts with that worry me....
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.....
CommodoreOriginal Crew7,065 postsSince 2018
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Well my input is not a red light camera issue but based on some of the responses from some peeps so far, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what I see on the roads.
My son got his permit last year. We did alot of driving together since drivers ed thru school was on line and remote.
It's amazing how shitty people act and drive on the roads towards someone that is following and obeying the rules. Just about every single day we are in the car we get beeped at if he sits at a stop sign for more than 2 seconds trying to decide if its safe to proceed. On back country roads people ride his ass and pass him on curvy double yellows when hes usually doing the speed limit or just slightly above. I need more hands and fingers to count the times we've been passed on the right shoulder of the sunrise or even back roads and montauk highway. More often than not we end up right behind those idiots at the next traffic light or stop sign so all their nonsense got them nowhere.....
He passed his road test and I have full confidence in him. Its the insane uptight nasty NY drivers he interacts with that worry me....
and for the " its a cash grap people " if you didnt break the law no need for them..Right ?
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CaptainOriginal Crew1,185 postsSince 2019
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Seems like there’s issues that can be solved, officials not willing to implement the more sensible solutions, and too many self-centered drivers out there in our doomed civilization. Sad…
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Have a great weekend everyone and catch ‘em up!
Mate65 postsSince 2020
Let me know next time one of you goes around the block so as not to cross a doula yellow getting into a parking lot or drive way
Or realizes your in a turn only lane or the wrong lane but goes straight or hangs out the window begging to make the illegal turn
here’s what I say
If that happens to you more times than you can count by different ppl
The common denominator is you
mom just sayin
Or realizes your in a turn only lane or the wrong lane but goes straight or hangs out the window begging to make the illegal turn
here’s what I say
If that happens to you more times than you can count by different ppl
The common denominator is you
mom just sayin
Captain1,857 postsSince 2020
" if you didnt break the law no need for them..Right ?
That is SO true. If only George Floyd had the benefit of your wisdom.
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