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pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2019#141
As usual, enforcement will be an issue.
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CommodoreOriginal Crew7,034 postsSince 2018
Capt13
Capt13FREE2019#142
If you’re trying to reduce discards, how do you enforce a bass fishing moratorium? “I’m not bass fishing, I’m after bluefish!”

They’ve got to go slot with stipulation of no culling and recommend stop fishing when a fish is kept.

I agree ...... if they want to use the flawed statement/logic that we are killing more than we are keeping, the only solution would be a slot size. I would be in favor of a 20" - 26" (2) fish limit with the current season. Protect (slow down the harvest) of your breeding class fish with a tag system for 3 trophy fish (over 40" ? ) only during 2 seasons. One in the spring, one in the fall. I would also like the fines for first offenses made higher ...... high enough that you would have to think twice about getting caught.
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CaptainOriginal Crew2,530 postsSince 2018
pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2019#143
what to do about the "No speak a da engwish?" Here's a thought, impound the car, confiscate the fishing gear...
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2019#144
If you’re trying to reduce discards, how do you enforce a bass fishing moratorium? “I’m not bass fishing, I’m after bluefish!”

They’ve got to go slot with stipulation of no culling and recommend stop fishing when a fish is kept.

There will never be a moratorium, it's way too much of a money fish. Recs took over 10-million trips for bass alone. Now they found all of these surf fishermen they never knew existed and it's their fault?

I have been speaking with reps up and down the coast and no one believes the numbers, not that they ever do, but as we know you can't fight the numbers. I have been taking a back seat watching this unfold. We could talk all day about slots and other solutions, but in the end, regulators want to see a reduction. New Yorkers won't take that much of a hit as it will probably go to one at 32-inches with a circle hook requirement for bait so they can say they addressed the bycatch issue. That is my educated guess on what will play out over the next months.

New Jersey will get 2-fish as the NJ commercial quota actually runs under a tag program that allows anglers to take an extra fish until all of the tags are used.
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CommodoreOriginal Crew5,174 postsSince 2018
Capt13
Capt13FREE2019#145
... did you mean the recreational quota ?
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2019#146
... did you mean the recreational quota ?
Are you referring to NJ?
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CommodoreOriginal Crew5,174 postsSince 2018
Capt13
Capt13FREE2019#147
New Jersey will get 2-fish as the NJ commercial quota actually runs under a tag program that allows anglers to take an extra fish until all of the tags are used.

I meant this sentence in your post.
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CaptainOriginal Crew2,530 postsSince 2018
Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2019#148
I meant this sentence in your post.

It is JOISEY!! All states have a commercial quota. NJ has been giving the quota to the recs under a tag system. Maine doesn't do anything with their quota, it sits unused.
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AdmiralOriginal Crew21,717 postsSince 2018
Capt13
Capt13FREE2019#149
I understand now ...... Joisey transferred their commercial quota to the recs. Got it.
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2019#150
I understand now ...... Joisey transferred their commercial quota to the recs. Got it.
Yes Mr. Roccus has it correct. I believe that was done through legislation, and it's not about to change anytime soon. There are many on the coast that despise it. I personally don't have a problem with it. From what I gather it's a miniscule number of fish annually. If the quota went to a commercial fishery, the entire quota would be taken.
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2019#151
It is JOISEY!! All states have a commercial quota. NJ has been giving the quota to the recs under a tag system. Maine doesn't do anything with their quota, it sits unused.
There ya go. You want a few 18-inch fish a year? Do what joisey did. You guys deserve to take home a few fish. All you have to do is ask. The fish are there for the taking.
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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2019#152
There ya go. You want a few 18-inch fish a year? Do what joisey did. You guys deserve to take home a few fish. All you have to do is ask. The fish are there for the taking.

LOL, can't get to the data now, but IIRC, the Maine commercial quota is like 30,000 fish or lbs, can't remember which. Like I always said, our rec quota is a pimple on ASFMC's butt and our commercial quota is a pimple on that pimple...
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Bucktail
BucktailFREE2019#153
How about a season starting July 1 and a STATEWIDE 30" size limit , Hudson included?! It's insane to allow a directed fishery on actively spawning fish and micro rats.
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MateOriginal Crew66 postsSince 2019
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How about a season starting July 1 and a STATEWIDE 30" size limit , Hudson included?! It's insane to allow a directed fishery on actively spawning fish and micro rats.
A whole bunch of guys in Western LI would miss out with a July 1 opening date .........
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PropellerJohnII
PropellerJohnIIFREE2019#155
How about a season starting July 1 and a STATEWIDE 30" size limit , Hudson included?! It's insane to allow a directed fishery on actively spawning fish and micro rats.
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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2019#156
How about a season starting July 1 and a STATEWIDE 30" size limit , Hudson included?! It's insane to allow a directed fishery on actively spawning fish and micro rats.

Couldn’t agree more with Hudson River thoughts both season and size, but under the assumption that we have to reduce ALL fishing pressure, including C&R, how do you enforce dates when fishing techniques overlap with other, in season fish?
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Capt13
Capt13FREE2019#157
I don't think catch and release fishing is enforcible ....... unless they ban fishing.
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Bucktail
BucktailFREE2019#158
Enforcing possession out of season would be the same as fluke or c bass or scup. Not sure about the C&R aspect out of season , perhaps ending that too. Hey, IF the resource is in dire straights , extreme measures are required.
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2019#159
I don't think catch and release fishing is enforcible ....... unless they ban fishing.
It's not enforceable but most fishing regs are unenforceable. Up until about 5-years ago, you had to stop targeting bass after you had your keeper. After pressure from anglers that was changed to allow for catch and release.

I personally don't think they're overfished, I think we're not seeing older fish because they're dying from mycobacteriosis. This is the silent killer that no one wants to discuss because they don't know how to deal with it. I find it strange that it's never mentioned anywhere in the numbers. It's a REAL thing and it's happening now. Rich Troxler is very educated on this and he called it a few years ago. He predicted this exact scenario.

Doe's anyone really believe that a bunch of surf casters are the cause of the decline of this fishery?

Here's a recent article I found on the US National Library of Medicine website.
Dermal mycobacteriosis and warming sea surface temperatures are associated with elevated mortality of striped bass in the Chesapeake Bay
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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2019#160
Here's a recent article I found on the US National Library of Medicine website.
Dermal mycobacteriosis and warming sea surface temperatures are associated with elevated mortality of striped bass in the Chesapeake Bay

A good read, but scary read. In fairness, the package presented back at the ASFMC did mention the "M" word and highlighted it as a future "To Do" in terms of mortality.
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