the "Headline That Caught My Attention or the WTF" thread

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pentagon-believes-alien-mothership-could-115531907.html[/URL]
:oops:

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pentagon-believes-alien-mothership-could-115531907.html[/URL]
:oops:

What ever happened to the Murder Hornets?

What ever happened to the Murder Hornets?

they're up in the Mothership...................
8-)

[HEADING=1]AND YET ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/HEADING]
[HEADING=1]Wrongly convicted Brooklyn man to be exonerated after serving 19 years for murder: Initial NYPD investigation lasted less than 24 hours and ignored six witnesses who all swore then 17-year-old was not the shooter[/HEADING]
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[*]Emel McDowell spent nearly 20 years in prison for a 1990 house party murder he did not commit
[*]On Thursday, he was officially exonerated by a New York City court
[*]His long fight for justice led him to a legal career, he now works as a litigation paralegal at a criminal defense firm
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By [SOPHIE MANN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM]('https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Sophie+Mann+For+Dailymail.Com')

PUBLISHED: 12:58 EDT, 16 March 2023 | UPDATED: 16:03 EDT, 16 March
Wrongly convicted man exonerated after serving 19 years for murder
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/

A Brooklyn man who spent nearly two decades withering in prison for a 1990 murder he did not commit will formally have his conviction vacated on Thursday, after an investigation proved his claim that his friend was responsible for the shooting.
Emel McDowell was 17 year old when victim Jonathan Powell was shot dead following a fight at a Bedford-Stuyvesant house party on October 27, 1990.
At the time, the New York Police Department investigated the [crime]('https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/crime/index.html') for a mere 24 hours, which ended with detectives arresting McDowell, despite witness statements that conflicted and an insistence from McDowell that it was his friend who actually did the shooting.

Later, it was determined that police did not run an adequate investigation into the friend, failing to explore the possibility that he was the shooter. Eric Gonzalez, the Brooklyn District Attorney said that the system had 'failed Emel McDowell.'

On Thursday, a smiling McDowell in a charcoal suit and loafers walked out of a New York courthouse an exonerated man. When asked how he was feeling, he said: 'I'm great, I'm doing great.'

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WOULD YOU BE PISSED OFF IF THIS WAS YOU??

LOL really ....

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[HEADING=2][SIZE=7]Researchers identify 55 more white sharks in Cape Cod waters[/SIZE][/HEADING]
[pressherald.com/2023/03/16/researchers-identify-55-more-white-sharks-in-cape-cod-waters/]('https://www.pressherald.com/2023/03/16/researchers-identify-55-more-white-sharks-in-cape-cod-waters/')

By MARK PRATT March 16, 2023

The scientific nonprofit that tracks the white shark population in Cape Cod waters identified 55 sharks never before documented in the area during its most recent research season, but experts say that’s no reason for tourists who flock to the vacation hotpsot every summer to be afraid of going in the water.

The Atlantic White Shark Conservancy has now has documented more than 600 of the apex predators since it began monitoring the population in 2014, staff scientist Megan Winton said Wednesday. Many of the sharks return to the area year after year to feed on the abundant seals that call Cape Cod home.

Scientists during last year’s research trips from mid-June until early November documented the return of 63 sharks that had previously been spotted in the area, the nonprofit announced this month.

Don’t worry. Identifying more sharks does not mean there are more of them out there and does not mean a greater risk to the public.

“It’s not necessarily indicative of there being more sharks off of Cape Cod,” Winton said. “What we’ve seen the last couple years in terms of activity and sightings has been par for the course of what we’ve been seeing for the past several years.”

In Maine, the department of marine resources has stepped up efforts to monitor shark activity by placing 28 receivers along the coast since 2021. The department said last summer that it had confirmed 35 great white shark sightings in Maine waters through August.

The fear that people have about white sharks because of the 1975 movie “Jaws” – about a massive great white terrorizing a New England resort town – and two shark attacks off Cape Cod in 2018, one of them fatal, is largely misplaced, Winton said.

“It’s important for people to keep in mind that white sharks are not the monsters they are portrayed to be in the media,” she said. “They’re not lurking off our beaches. Humans are not on the menu.”

Cape Cod is the only known white shark aggregation site in the northwest Atlantic, and because they tend to stick close to shore as they hunt for seals, the area has become a goldmine of information for researchers, she said.

The Atlantic White Shark Conservancy scientists, in collaboration with other researchers, have been able to find out more about the sharks’ lifecycle, growth rates, the risks they face in the open ocean, and travel patterns as they swim thousands of miles up and down the eastern coast of the U.S. and Canada.

For example, a shark first documented off Cape Cod in 2017 was caught and tagged off Hilton Head, South Carolina, in 2021 and during that time had grown three feet, the conservancy said.

The researchers capture underwater images of the sharks using a camera on a painter’s pole. Sharks that have never been documented before are given a name, often based on unique markings. The images and information are entered on the conservancy’s publicly-available shark database.

Koala, a 9-foot male first spotted last year, has a marking that looks like a koala’s face. Quack, a 9-foot female first documented in 2018, has a marking that resembles a duck. Some are named after local sports stars, including Brady and Big Papi.

The public should use the information from the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy to educate themselves about sharks so they can make informed choices while on the water.

“Giving folks open access to their shark catalog is a great educational tool for the public,” said Greg Skomal, the state Division of Marine Fisheries shark expert who works closely with the conservancy.

“People identify with individual animals,” he said. “It’s one thing to talk about a species; it’s another to talk about an individual within that species. People can look at this catalog and they can get a sense of how to use our coastal areas.”

I understand she also offers exfoliations with the fish house calls...

[HEADING=2][SIZE=7]How a Bronx Beautician Became New York’s On-Call Fish Rescuer[/SIZE][/HEADING]
Three hundred goldfish in a hospital basement, a suckermouth at the airport: When fish are in crisis, a local woman and a partner in Pennsylvania ride to the rescue.

Construction workers have been at work demolishing an abandoned tuberculosis hospital in Queens over the past several months, dismantling the long-empty wards and carting off the bricks. But first, they had to figure out what to do with a school of goldfish which for unknown reasons had come to call the flooded basement home. Three hundred of them.

Their go-to goldfish rescuer? A beautician from the Bronx.

Brenda Prohaska, who teaches cosmetology at an alternative learning high school, had only a passing interest in fish when she joined a local aquarium interest group a few years ago. She just had some questions how to treat ich, an illness that had wiped out her mollies. Then the pandemic lockdown began and the fish club became a fish 911.

Messages poured in: There were sultan fish languishing in a closed acupuncture office in Midtown Manhattan, a cluster of spike-topped apple snails forfeited by a Bronx family fleeing the contagion, and a nearly 20-year-old Oscar fish in Co-Op City whose owner had died of the coronavirus.

“I thought someone else would answer the call,” Ms. Prohaska, 51, said in an interview in her house on City Island in the Bronx, over the burble of hundreds of gallons of aquarium water. Beside her, the foot-long sultan fish from the acupuncture office chewed a fresh earthworm she had plopped in his tank. “They didn’t, so I had to.”

Ms. Prohaska has since taken up a heavy mantle few — including herself — knew was there for the taking-up: She has become the city’s on-call fish rescuer. The safe extraction of most of the mysterious goldfish from beneath the Neponsit Adult Home in Rockaway Park was just one of about 90 rescues she has undertaken in the past three years.

(Like any good fish tale, the goldfish caper gets bigger in the retelling: The Rockaway rescue effort included not just nets, traps and crusts of bread but a group of L.G.B.T.Q. activists who frequented the beach nearby, a disabled construction worker from Pennsylvania and a woman who asked to be known as a “fish fairy godmother” for privacy. But more on that later.)

The pandemic has ebbed, but Ms. Prohaska has not stopped. The fish need her too much, she says. The volume may be related to a post-pandemic phenomenon: [giving away pets that were purchased as a lockdown balm.]('https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/nyregion/the-great-guinea-pig-giveaway-has-begun.html') Small-animal intakes spiked by more than 12 percent nationwide in 2022, compared with the year before, according to Shelter Animals Count, which collects data from more than 6,000 shelters, though they still remain about 9 percent lower than before the pandemic. Via her Facebook page, [NYC Fish Rescue]('https://www.facebook.com/people/NYC-Fish-Rescue/100066599886526/'), people alert Ms. Prohaska to their fish problems.

They are as varied as fish in the sea: a messy divorce in which a restraining order prevented a spouse from collecting his fahaka pufferfish; a man moving to California stopped by Transportation Security Administration agents at the airport for trying to take his suckermouth catfish in his carry-on bag.

Though people give Ms. Prohaska fish and their trappings, NYC Fish Rescue is not a business. She plans to create a nonprofit entity but has not yet had time.

Ms. Prohaska has a hard time explaining why the plight of helpless fish called to her. A cancer survivor, she says saving them gave her a sense of control, particularly during the pandemic. “I always have been a giver, so it almost comes easy to me,” she said. “They are living things, and I feel like nobody really cares that much.”

At first she kept every angelfish, betta and gourami. She drove to save them in a beat-up hearse that she bought from a haunted attraction in Connecticut and that now serves as her fish rescue ambulance. (It is filled with fish gravel, aquarium filters and a terrifying clown mannequin from its previous life.) But the stress of cleaning multiple tanks and worrying about the creatures was too taxing, she said. She had to move one tank out of her bedroom because fretting over the cichlid’s happiness left her sleepless.

“It’s taxing — I worry about the fish,” she said. “It’s what drives me; I do it. But I don’t know if it’s good for me because it just causes me heartache and stress.”

Eventually, a man named Laboy Wiggins rescued the fish rescuer. Mr. Wiggins, 51, a disabled construction worker who lives in West Pittston, Pa., found NYC Fish Rescue on Facebook in 2020. The connection between the two fish sympathizers was instant, both said. Now, sometimes several times a week, he loads his Lincoln Navigator with the tools of the fish rescue trade — buckets and nets — and drives upward of three hours to New York City to rescue the fish to which Ms. Prohaska directs him.

Fish grew from a pastime to a solace for Mr. Wiggins, who took up the hobby when a car accident shattered his leg in 2009, requiring more than 30 surgeries, he said. Soon, it became an all-encompassing passion. “I just went berserk,” he said. “I went really crazy with it, but it’s a good kind of crazy. Fish is peaceful.”

He gets peace from the 700-gallon tank he installed in his living room, and the 500-gallon one upstairs, home to two Amazonian pacus that he rescued at Ms. Prohaska’s behest from a Long Island Rail Road depot in Queens. Their owner, a longtime railroad employee who was retiring, had kept them for over a decade, Mr. Wiggins said, but could not take them home. They are huge.

He found that keeping fish was much more than just a way to pass time while immobilized: A child sexual abuse survivor, Mr. Wiggins spent 18 years in prison for robbery and assault and was released about 15 years ago. “I was acting out my trauma,” he said. In 2020 he joined a number of men in [suing a Pennsylvania reform school]('https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/i-went-into-this-dark-shell-2-men-recount-beatings-sexual-assaults-inside-shuttered-glen-mills-schools/2281895/') where he says he was abused. The opportunity to rescue fish with Ms. Prohaska felt healing.

“These fish is innocent,” he said. “And they are being mistreated — they didn’t ask for that.”
Mr. Wiggins and Ms. Prohaska find it galling that, while dog and cat rescues abound, there are few dedicated fish rescues, and that the animals, some of which live for decades, are often dumped or even flushed.

Since 2018, Animal Care Centers of New York City, which takes in surrendered animals, has received just 144 fish and one hermit crab, according to Katy Hansen, a spokeswoman. “It’s hard to believe that in a city of nine million we’ve only taken in about 140 fish, when we’ve taken in thousands of other animals,” Ms. Hansen said. “My biggest fear is that people are just flushing them down the toilet, and they are sentient beings.”

In the next few days, Mr. Wiggins will receive a special delivery from New York City: the last of the goldfish from underneath the tuberculosis hospital.

It is the end of a journey for the Queens goldfish, though their beginnings remain a mystery: Some theorize they were washed under the building after flooding from Hurricane Sandy scooped them from private ponds.

When the hospital’s destruction was announced, activists associated with the abutting beach, Bay 1 of Jacob Riis Park, [a longtime refuge]('https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/15/nyregion/jacob-riis-beach-nyc.html') for L.G.B.T.Q. and other marginalized people, [began a grass-roots effort]('https://hellgatenyc.com/the-mystery-of-the-fish-living-in-riis-beachs-abandoned-hospital') to save the fish.

Beachgoers scooped out as many fish as they could and demanded that demolition wait until the whole goldfish school could be spared. In response, New York City Health and Hospitals, which owns the Rockaway property and oversaw the demolition, contacted the fish rescue.

In New York City parks, fish rescues are rare, according to Bonnie McGuire, the director of the parks department’s urban park rangers. Fish that are released in park waterways most often do not survive, she said. “Goldfish — or any other domesticated pets — don’t belong in parks. Do not release any pets into wild areas,” Ms. McGuire said in an email. “It’s not good for the ecosystem or the pet!”

Ms. Prohaska arrived in Rockaway with nets, but the subbasement was too deep to reach the goldfish, she said. She set traps loaded with Italian bread and caught more than 100; large ones went to a private pond in Mount Vernon, and 50 or so fry went to a woman in Scarsdale, who declined to give her name. (“I would like to be the gold fish fairy,” she said, in a text message to Ms. Prohaska.)

The mission continued. Since September a contractor working on the site has methodically fished them out with baited traps, according to New York City Health and Hospitals. It will end when the final fish are delivered to Mr. Wiggins in the next week. They will live in a pond outside a nearby Catholic church, he said — the ones he can bear to part with.

“It’s not every day you find fish at your construction site,” Manny Saez, the vice president of facilities at New York City Health and Hospitals said in an email. “But we’re happy they found a safe home.”

Seriously, wtf?

[URL unfurl="true"]https://nypost.com/2023/03/17/eyedrops-may-have-killed-one-severely-injured-others-due-to-drug-resistant-bacteria-cdc/[/URL]

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[HEADING=2]Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday as New York law enforcement prepares for possible indictment[/HEADING]
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/18/politics/donald-trump-manhattan-da-arrest-protests/index.html

will this never end.

[HEADING=2]Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday as New York law enforcement prepares for possible indictment[/HEADING]
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/18/politics/donald-trump-manhattan-da-arrest-protests/index.html

will this never end?

[HEADING=2]Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday as New York law enforcement prepares for possible indictment[/HEADING]
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/18/politics/donald-trump-manhattan-da-arrest-protests/index.html

Oooohhh. I guess they got him this time. And CNN too. Must be true. :rolleyes:

Oooohhh. I guess they got him this time. And CNN too. Must be true. :rolleyes:

Well he is the one saying it...

Oooohhh. I guess they got him this time. And CNN too. Must be true. :rolleyes:

So, NYC has spent how much? $5 million? $10 million? Maybe $15 million? I guess taxpayers enjoy their tax dollars spent on a wild goose chase.

lots of wild geese though eh?

[HEADING=2]Billionaires Lose Battle to Block Nantucket Clam Shack[/HEADING]
SHUCK IT!
[[HEADING=3]Noah Kirsch[/HEADING]]('https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/noah-kirsch')
[Wealth And Power Reporter]('https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/noah-kirsch')
Published Mar. 17, 2023 5:13PM ET

[HEADING=3]REUTERS/Kim Hong-Ji[/HEADING]
Several ultra-rich property owners on Nantucket, the island near Cape Cod, have lost their initial battle to prevent a clam shack from opening near their homes. The disgruntled residents include finance billionaires Charles Schwab and Charles Johnson, along with their spouses; their attorney had argued that the proposed licenses would “destroy the ambience” of the area and “substantially interfere with my clients’ peaceful residential use of their property.” Sadly for them, the Nantucket Select Board voted 3-1 in favor of the business. But the conflict may not be over. “Maybe the billionaires will sue everyone and then #occupynorthwharf and we will make ‘Clam Guevara’ T-shirts,” one of the proprietors [reportedly said]('https://www.boston.com/news/the-boston-globe/2023/03/16/nantucket-billionaires-battle-proposed-clam-shack/') before the vote.

[HEADING=2]Billionaires Lose Battle to Block Nantucket Clam Shack[/HEADING]
SHUCK IT!
[HEADING=3][Noah Kirsch]('https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/noah-kirsch')[/HEADING]
[Wealth And Power Reporter]('https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/noah-kirsch')
Published Mar. 17, 2023 5:13PM ET

[HEADING=3]REUTERS/Kim Hong-Ji[/HEADING]
Several ultra-rich property owners on Nantucket, the island near Cape Cod, have lost their initial battle to prevent a clam shack from opening near their homes. The disgruntled residents include finance billionaires Charles Schwab and Charles Johnson, along with their spouses; their attorney had argued that the proposed licenses would “destroy the ambience” of the area and “substantially interfere with my clients’ peaceful residential use of their property.” Sadly for them, the Nantucket Select Board voted 3-1 in favor of the business. But the conflict may not be over. “Maybe the billionaires will sue everyone and then #occupynorthwharf and we will make ‘Clam Guevara’ T-shirts,” one of the proprietors [reportedly said]('https://www.boston.com/news/the-boston-globe/2023/03/16/nantucket-billionaires-battle-proposed-clam-shack/') before the vote.

Constant battle when the affluent rub elbows with the common folk.

Around here, it's usually started by people moving into working waterfronts and then being upset that the noise starts just before dawn and they're smelling "ripe" herring and bunker for lobster bait. Like Nantucket, the local selectboards are comprised of locals with family lineages going back 100s of years, with many lobstermen relatives so the complaints get squelched very quickly...

I know quite a few states that are really divided, including another one whose major city is also Portland, and the "Home" of this website as well. Will be interesting to see what transpires here...

[HEADING=2][SIZE=7]Oregon’s Rural-Urban Divide Sparks Talk of Secession[/SIZE][/HEADING]
Conservatives have approved a series of ballot measures in pursuit of an improbable plan to redraw the state’s border. We spent time in the region under dispute to see what the debate says about the country’s divisions.

COVE, Ore. — Corey Cook still holds a fondness for her days living in Portland, where the downtown pubs and riverfront cherry blossoms made her proud to call the Rose City home during her 20s.

But as she started growing wary of the metro area’s congestion and liberal politics, she moved to the suburbs, then the exurbs, before heading east, eventually escaping Portland’s sphere of influence on the other side of the Cascade Mountains in 2017. But even here, where she now runs a Christian camp amid the foothill pines overlooking the Grande Ronde Valley, she cannot help but notice how the values of western Oregon are held over the eastern part of the state by way of laws making guns less accessible and abortions more accessible.

Unwilling to move east into Idaho, farther from her family, Ms. Cook, 52, now wonders if redrawing the state maps could instead bring Idaho’s values to her.

“Oregon is not a unified state to me anymore,” she said. “To say that I’m an Oregonian is a geographic truth, but it doesn’t really have meaning to me the way that it did before I lived in eastern Oregon.”
The broad sense of estrangement felt across rural Oregon has led conservatives in recent years to pursue a scrupulous strategy to open a theoretical escape hatch, gathering thousands of signatures for a series of ballot measures that have now passed in 11 counties. Those measures require regular meetings to discuss the idea of secession. In those places, including Union County, Ms. Cook’s new home, county commissioners in rooms adorned by Oregon flags and maps are now obligated to talk about whether it would one day make sense to be part of Idaho.

The “Greater Idaho” movement joins a long history of U.S. defection struggles. In California, for example, there have been [more than 200 attempts over the years to break up the state]('https://www.library.ca.gov/collections/online-exhibits/splitting-ca/'). Greater Idaho sees its solution as more simple — a shift in an existing border that would claim the entire eastern half of Oregon without creating an entirely new state. Despite being a political long shot, the sustained and growing interest from residents in the area and attention from politicians in Idaho have illustrated how much the state is already divided in spirit.
“It’s got worse over the years,” said John Lively, a Democratic state representative who grew up in one of the counties considering the secession plan. “It’s really reflective of the divide we have in our country.”

Mr. Lively has met with Greater Idaho leaders, saying that while he does not support their effort, the movement has followed the appropriate channels and opened up an opportunity for western Oregonians to take notice of why people on the other side of the state have grown so disaffected.

Last month, taking notice of the percolating chatter on the other side of the border, Idaho’s state representatives [approved a measure to initiate formal discussions]('https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2023/02/greater-idaho-resolution-passes-idaho-house-calls-for-talks-with-oregon-over-moving-border.html') with Oregon over whether and how to redraw a state boundary that spans some 300 miles. Oregon lawmakers have so far not answered the call.

To some residents in eastern Oregon, the secession movement has been cathartic, a sort of relief valve for decades of boiling frustrations with government in a region that has in the distant and not-too-distant past hosted its share of anti-government violence.

To others, the secession effort has felt quixotic, or even idiotic. Success would require passage through the state legislatures in both states and in Congress, requiring the Democrats who currently control broad political power at the Capitol in Salem, Ore., to get onboard with the idea of giving up half the state to a neighbor that does not share their values. Such a shift would leave others in the region more vulnerable, including the Klamath Tribes, where there are fears that a switch to Idaho would undermine efforts to fight for environmental protections on their ancestral lands.

A Marine Corps veteran who helps develop products for the hunting industry, Mr. Nash makes visits to the grocery store that can mean hours of serendipitous conversation with every person he sees.
Mr. Nash, 36, has watched eastern Oregon’s growing frustration with government policies that alter the region’s way of life. Limits on logging contributed to a steep decline in the sprawling timber industry, leading to mill closures and mass layoffs. “Eastern Oregon largely gets treated as western Oregon’s playground,” he said.

Mr. Nash plans to vote to advance the secession debate, though he does not support actual implementation. He fears that a switch to Idaho would bring its own set of complications.

“I don’t think there is a historical precedent to say ‘this is going to work,’” Mr. Nash said. “I’d just rather we figure out how to restore Oregon to a better place.”

Redrawing the map would require much more than fresh cartography. Logistical challenges grow more thorny with each new question: Would people in eastern Oregon be ready to embrace a sales tax? How would Idaho, which bans legal marijuana, manage eastern Oregon’s thriving weed industry? How would the states transition eastern Oregon’s state employees, with some benefits already earned, to a new retirement system with different rules and compensation?

Barbara Dee Ehardt, an Idaho Republican state representative who sponsored a resolution to invite cross-state talks, said she saw benefits for conservatives in Idaho. Among them, she said, a border shifting westward would move legal marijuana and legal abortions farther from the reach of people in her state.

Leading the Greater Idaho movement is Mike McCarter, 75, a resident of La Pine worked for 30 years in the state’s nursery industry and currently teaches classes on concealed handguns and shooting, and recently acquired an Idaho flag for his home.

Mr. McCarter said in an interview that in the process of spreading his message, he has spoken with the People’s Rights group, which is led by Ammon Bundy. In 2016, Mr. Bundy started an [armed takeover of a wildlife refuge]('https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/burns-oregon-protest.html') in Harney County, which has voted to join the Oregon secession movement.

But Mr. McCarter said that he does not align with the group’s tactics, adding that he wants his effort to provide an outlet for people to express their frustrations through peaceful means.

“We are not looking at the civil disobedience way,” he said.

State boundaries, he argued, were set with the idea of organizing like-minded people and can be adjusted to conform with evolving communities, as when divisions between the eastern and western parts of Virginia led to the creation of West Virginia.

[HEADING=1]Tell Us About Where You Live[/HEADING]

“Even though people can say the odds are still way against it — and they probably are — it’s still bringing the issue to the surface,” Mr. McCarter said.

On their own, the county commissioners have little power to alter Oregon’s state lines, but supporters of the Greater Idaho movement have continued to put pressure on them, in hopes they will put pressure on state lawmakers. At the meeting last month, the activists urged the commissioners to formally notify their state lawmakers that local citizens had voted to engage in the idea.

The commissioners agreed, approving the message unanimously.

“I do share the frustrations of the people that are wanting to do it,” Donna Beverage, one of the commissioners, said after the meeting. “I just don’t know how difficult it is going to be. But at the same time, when people are frustrated, we can fight for change.”

Well he is the one saying it...

Snarking at political grandstanding isn't remotely similar to admitting guilt. I know you know that, but do CNN's disciples know that?

let's hope he's right for once eh?