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wader
waderFREE2023#7061

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.yahoo.com/news/californias-nonpartisan-legislative-analyst-says-173316133.html[/URL]

"Well, it's alright.
.............even if you're old and gray."
"Well, it's alright.
............you still got something to say."
AdmiralOriginal Crew20,900 postsSince 2018
wader
waderFREE2023#7062

I watched the debate last night (once I was actually able find it - youtube) & had the same thoughts this author had.

Wed, December 6, 2023 at 9:33 PM EST·3 min read

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Opinion
[HEADING=2]Hey, Vivek: Shut up about Dick Cheney until you’ve actually accomplished something | Opinion[/HEADING]
Ryan J. Rusak
Wed, December 6, 2023 at 9:33 PM EST

[[SIZE=4]Vivek Ramawswamy[/SIZE]]('https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/06/vivek-ramaswamy-gop-debate-bullying-00130197')[SIZE=4] needs to keep [Dick Cheney]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Dick%20Cheney')[/SIZE][SIZE=4]’s name out of his mouth.[/SIZE]

The smarmy empty vessel who for some reason still appears in Republican presidential debates was trying Wednesday night to create a broad indictment of rivals [Nikki Haley]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Nikki%20Haley') and Chris Christie over the Ukraine war. In doing so, he endorsed [Vladimir Putin]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Vladimir%20Putin') running amok over Europe – and trashed a notable Republican with, you know, actual accomplishments.

Trying to smear Christie and Haley as “toxic neo-cons,” he spouted: “You can put lipstick on a Dick Cheney, it is still a fascist neocon.”

Easy target. Cheney is a complex figure, and yes, his aggressive foreign policy [drove the war in Iraq]('https://cornellsun.com/2018/05/02/former-vice-president-dick-cheney-says-iraq-war-and-controversial-interrogation-techniques-were-right-things-to-do/') and other foreign policy mistakes. And Donald Trump sycophants like [Ramaswamy]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Vivek%20Ramaswamy') love to tar Cheney because he’s honest and upfront about his concerns about the former president.

But here’s what else Dick Cheney is: a dedicated patriot who served his country in several vital roles at crucial junctures.
Cheney was an important defense policymaker in the House. He was [defense secretary when the United States routed Iraq]('https://millercenter.org/president/bush/essays/cheney-1989-secretary-of-defense') out of Kuwait.

And he was vice president at one of the country’s most perilous moments, the 9/11 attacks.

Some of us, unlike Ramaswamy, are old enough to remember the true peril of that day. No one knew the extent of the Islamist terrorist attacks that descended out of nowhere on a Tuesday morning. As the military sought to protect a traveling president, Cheney had to make the gut-wrenching call of [whether U.S. pilots should shoot down jetliners full of innocent Americans]('https://www.history.com/news/september-11-attacks-shootdown-order-cheney-bush') to prevent more death and destruction.

Did the terrorists have biological weapons, or worse, a nuclear device or dirty bomb? Might they get to Bush or incapacitate Congress? These are the possibilities that Cheney and others had to face down. Cheney, a survivor of several heart attacks, stood down al-Qaeda, when Ramswamy was in high school.

It’s easy in hindsight for fools like Ramaswamy to question the Iraq war. Few of us, knowing what we know now, would have supported the 2003 invasion. But the entire world, including advanced intelligence services, thought Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the region, at a minimum, with advanced weapons of mass destruction. They were all wrong, including Cheney, and his legacy should reflect that.

But calling Cheney a fascist? Brainless anti-war protesters from 2005 want their ridiculous talking points back.

We must judge public servants based on their times. Cheney helped protect this country at a time of maximum peril.

Ramaswamy, by contrast, has held no public office. He’s had no crises to address. It appears the biggest challenges he’s ever faced are tough questions on podcasts and how to get another half-inch of height in his hair.

There are plenty of mistakes to hold Cheney accountable for in hindsight. You know who has no credibility to do it? Vivek Ramaswamy.

"Well, it's alright.
.............even if you're old and gray."
"Well, it's alright.
............you still got something to say."
AdmiralOriginal Crew20,900 postsSince 2018
Rick67
Rick67FREE2023#7063

I watched the debate last night (once I was actually able find it - youtube) & had the same thoughts this author had.

Wed, December 6, 2023 at 9:33 PM EST·3 min read

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Opinion
[HEADING=2]Hey, Vivek: Shut up about Dick Cheney until you’ve actually accomplished something | Opinion[/HEADING]
Ryan J. Rusak
Wed, December 6, 2023 at 9:33 PM EST

[[SIZE=4]Vivek Ramawswamy[/SIZE]]('https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/06/vivek-ramaswamy-gop-debate-bullying-00130197')[SIZE=4] needs to keep [Dick Cheney]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Dick%20Cheney')[/SIZE][SIZE=4]’s name out of his mouth.[/SIZE]

The smarmy empty vessel who for some reason still appears in Republican presidential debates was trying Wednesday night to create a broad indictment of rivals [Nikki Haley]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Nikki%20Haley') and Chris Christie over the Ukraine war. In doing so, he endorsed [Vladimir Putin]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Vladimir%20Putin') running amok over Europe – and trashed a notable Republican with, you know, actual accomplishments.

Trying to smear Christie and Haley as “toxic neo-cons,” he spouted: “You can put lipstick on a Dick Cheney, it is still a fascist neocon.”

Easy target. Cheney is a complex figure, and yes, his aggressive foreign policy [drove the war in Iraq]('https://cornellsun.com/2018/05/02/former-vice-president-dick-cheney-says-iraq-war-and-controversial-interrogation-techniques-were-right-things-to-do/') and other foreign policy mistakes. And Donald Trump sycophants like [Ramaswamy]('https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Vivek%20Ramaswamy') love to tar Cheney because he’s honest and upfront about his concerns about the former president.

But here’s what else Dick Cheney is: a dedicated patriot who served his country in several vital roles at crucial junctures.
Cheney was an important defense policymaker in the House. He was [defense secretary when the United States routed Iraq]('https://millercenter.org/president/bush/essays/cheney-1989-secretary-of-defense') out of Kuwait.

And he was vice president at one of the country’s most perilous moments, the 9/11 attacks.

Some of us, unlike Ramaswamy, are old enough to remember the true peril of that day. No one knew the extent of the Islamist terrorist attacks that descended out of nowhere on a Tuesday morning. As the military sought to protect a traveling president, Cheney had to make the gut-wrenching call of [whether U.S. pilots should shoot down jetliners full of innocent Americans]('https://www.history.com/news/september-11-attacks-shootdown-order-cheney-bush') to prevent more death and destruction.

Did the terrorists have biological weapons, or worse, a nuclear device or dirty bomb? Might they get to Bush or incapacitate Congress? These are the possibilities that Cheney and others had to face down. Cheney, a survivor of several heart attacks, stood down al-Qaeda, when Ramswamy was in high school.

It’s easy in hindsight for fools like Ramaswamy to question the Iraq war. Few of us, knowing what we know now, would have supported the 2003 invasion. But the entire world, including advanced intelligence services, thought Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the region, at a minimum, with advanced weapons of mass destruction. They were all wrong, including Cheney, and his legacy should reflect that.

But calling Cheney a fascist? Brainless anti-war protesters from 2005 want their ridiculous talking points back.

We must judge public servants based on their times. Cheney helped protect this country at a time of maximum peril.

Ramaswamy, by contrast, has held no public office. He’s had no crises to address. It appears the biggest challenges he’s ever faced are tough questions on podcasts and how to get another half-inch of height in his hair.

There are plenty of mistakes to hold Cheney accountable for in hindsight. You know who has no credibility to do it? Vivek Ramaswamy.

Really, so you believe the war in Iraq was a just war? I mean look at the shit tons of WMD’s we found 🤣 and how many “Final Accountabilities” attended to get them 🖕 Dick was a dick war monger like the rest of the RINOS.

KFA-NY BOD.
Yellow Eyed Devils.
Yak Pack.
CommodoreOriginal Crew6,097 postsSince 2019
OVERBORED

That war made Cheney and many others very rich.

No bid government contracts at their highest point of abuse.

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
jpd
jpdMODnoreaster.com2023#7065

8-)

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A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns- Mario Puzo
CommodoreOriginal Crew9,876 postsSince 2018
dsedy
dsedyFREE2023#7066

Tax

8-)

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Tax evasion charges

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-indicted-multiple-felony-federal-tax-charges-la[/URL]

CommodoreOriginal Crew5,100 postsSince 2019
OVERBORED

Hunter Biden indicted on nine tax charges, adding to gun charges in special counsel probe
[URL unfurl="true"]https://abc7ny.com/hunter-biden-felony-charges-david-weiss-investigation/14152556/[/URL]
via ABC7NY App

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
jpd
jpdMODnoreaster.com2023#7068

Hunter Biden indicted on nine tax charges, adding to gun charges in special counsel probe
[URL unfurl="true"]https://abc7ny.com/hunter-biden-felony-charges-david-weiss-investigation/14152556/[/URL]
via ABC7NY App

Went to CNN to see how deep they buried the story...

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A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns- Mario Puzo
CommodoreOriginal Crew9,876 postsSince 2018
longcast

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.yahoo.com/news/californias-nonpartisan-legislative-analyst-says-173316133.html[/URL]

This is what they do.

Read that article and realize the carnage and destruction caused by their ideology.

AdmiralOriginal Crew20,417 postsSince 2019
longcast

8-)

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Keep the foot on the gas. Tip of the iceberg. Small time thug, go for Joe!!

AdmiralOriginal Crew20,417 postsSince 2019
longcast

Went to CNN to see how deep they buried the story...

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Honestly, I am a bit surprised not buried deeper or just missing. Does not fit their narrative.

AdmiralOriginal Crew20,417 postsSince 2019
longcast

Went to CNN to see how deep they buried the story...

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So hard to find details. Here are some more.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.foxnews.com/media/devastating-hunter-biden-indictment-vindication-whistleblowers-former-whitewater-counsel[/URL]

AdmiralOriginal Crew20,417 postsSince 2019
cany
canyCOMMUNITYnoreaster.com2023#7075

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/guns-n-roses-the-general-single-1234920361/?fbclid=IwAR2BLAdQdQ22Zd5dJ97fh8DaqwTfrJ2XGRSq1yI-tEyojlQHuiSFCh_xkVk[/URL]

General cany, Watching always Watching
CornField
AdmiralOriginal Crew41,119 postsSince 2018
wader
waderFREE2023#7076

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/temple-linked-hercules-alexander-great-182926892.html[/URL]

"Well, it's alright.
.............even if you're old and gray."
"Well, it's alright.
............you still got something to say."
AdmiralOriginal Crew20,900 postsSince 2018
Rick67
Rick67FREE2023#7077

So hard to find details. Here are some more.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.foxnews.com/media/devastating-hunter-biden-indictment-vindication-whistleblowers-former-whitewater-counsel[/URL]

Bottom of page listed as “other Top stories”. I can’t wait to see how far they bury the presidential pardon of him on 1/5/25 if I don’t win the Dead Pool first.

KFA-NY BOD.
Yellow Eyed Devils.
Yak Pack.
CommodoreOriginal Crew6,097 postsSince 2019
OVERBORED

This is what they do.

Read that article and realize the carnage and destruction caused by their ideology.

NY State is next!

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
longcast

NY State is next!

And sad to say the whole damn country. Took 3 years to sink so low.

AdmiralOriginal Crew20,417 postsSince 2019

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