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SORTIE
SORTIEFREE2019#21
I was referring to the woman killed when she and her husband's boat was run down outside Cupsogue!
manslaughter, possibly. murder, no.
VHF 88A Tripp 22 Angler in the Western LIS and Buzzards Bay MA (tow, tow, tow your boat!)
GOD BLESS U.S. TROOPS
MateOriginal Crew105 postsSince 2019
Chinacat
ChinacatFREE2019#22
manslaughter, possibly. murder, no.
depraved indifference??
At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.....
CommodoreOriginal Crew7,065 postsSince 2018
SORTIE
SORTIEFREE2019#23
depraved indifference??
grave operator error, with tragic results. PWCs are essentially gas-powered darts...
VHF 88A Tripp 22 Angler in the Western LIS and Buzzards Bay MA (tow, tow, tow your boat!)
GOD BLESS U.S. TROOPS
MateOriginal Crew105 postsSince 2019
Bucktail
BucktailFREE2019#24
I was not referring to the jet ski tragedy but the poor folks off Cupsogue whos' boat was run down by an idiot in a 50 footer.
MateOriginal Crew66 postsSince 2019
SORTIE
SORTIEFREE2019#25
I was not referring to the jet ski tragedy but the poor folks off Cupsogue whos' boat was run down by an idiot in a 50 footer.
still tragic and fatal, but not murder - which involves intent.
VHF 88A Tripp 22 Angler in the Western LIS and Buzzards Bay MA (tow, tow, tow your boat!)
GOD BLESS U.S. TROOPS
MateOriginal Crew105 postsSince 2019
Hunter704
Hunter704FREE2019#26
Moriches is a Nightmare
Not just there way to many careless people out there and they don’t respect the water as we all know lives can be changed in a minute
CaptainOriginal Crew2,762 postsSince 2019
jpd
jpdMODnoreaster.com2019#27
Not just there way to many careless people out there and they don’t respect the water as we all know lives can be changed in a minute

Sadly, the roads are getting worse too. The water amplifies it.
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CommodoreOriginal Crew9,876 postsSince 2018
WhatKnot
WhatKnotFREE2019#28
Sadly, the roads are getting worse too. The water amplifies it.
Absolutely!
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CommodoreOriginal Crew12,915 postsSince 2019
Bassknuckles
from Newsday today:
www.newsday.com

Stats: Boating safety course makes a difference

Taken all together, the numbers drove home just how dangerous Long Island’s waterways can be: in 24 hours last weekend, two dead, four hurt seriously enough to send them to the hospital, a capsizing t
www.newsday.com www.newsday.com
A sharper focus on boating safety is making a difference, statistics show

By John Valenti
john.valenti@newsday.com Updated July 21, 2019 6:00 AM

Taken all together, the numbers drove home just how dangerous Long Island’s waterways can be: in 24 hours last weekend, two dead, four hurt seriously enough to send them to the hospital, a capsizing that ended with all seven overboard and the operator charged with boating while intoxicated.

Alcohol, sun glare, speeding, no safety gear or even the wrong gear, simply not paying attention — they all can put a sad twist on a day on the water.

“When something goes bad on the water, it goes bad fast,” said Officer Joseph Stassi of the Nassau County Police Marine Bureau.

Still, those 24 hours last weekend don’t tell the full story of boating today, federal and state statistics show.

Strides made in watercraft regulations, safety equipment, policing and boat operator education are dramatically reducing serious crashes, fatalities and injuries — and the push is on to bring down the numbers even more.

Nationwide, for example, boating deaths totaled 658 in 2017, down a fifth from the 821 recorded two decades earlier, according to the latest data from the U.S. Coast Guard.

The reductions in accidents and injuries were even more stark. Accidents fell from 8,047 in 1997 to 4,291 in 2017, a drop of roughly 47 percent. And injuries were cut 42 percent, from 4,555 to 2,629.

New York reflects the trend, according to data compiled by the state Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation. Fatalities have dropped 41 percent in the past 20 years, from 37 in 1997 to 22 in 2017. Accidents went from 322 to 181, a 44 percent decrease. Injuries plummeted a little shy of two-thirds, from 182 to 72.

A few other things about accidents and deaths: A majority happen on places like lakes, rivers, swamps and gravel pits — not on bays, inlets, sounds or the like, national statistics show. And most happen on nice days and involve paddlecraft or powerboats with engines of 75 horsepower or less.

Nassau County police inspect a boat that was impounded after being involved in a fatal accident earlier this month. Photo Credit: Jim Staubitser

More important are the significant contributing factors: booze, drugs, careless or reckless boating, inexperienced or inattentive operators and a lack of safety training.

Nationwide, alcohol played a role in a fifth of all fatal accidents in 2017, and eight out of 10 victims didn’t have on a personal flotation device and had never taken a safety course, the Coast Guard found.

Of New York’s 22 victims in 2017, one had taken safety instruction. That victim was under 21, according to the parks agency.

“You have to respect the water,” said Lt. Rocco Baudo, squad commander of the Suffolk County Police Marine Bureau station at Timber Point.

The real key to saving lives, though, is coupling enforcement with education, marine officers for both counties said.

Suffolk operates five 31-foot patrol boats, rigid hull inflatables, in marine patrol areas covering both the North and South shores. Officers also operate ATV quads and beach trucks on Fire Island.

Nassau is using nine boats right now to patrol the North Shore from Oyster Bay to the eastern portion of Little Neck Bay and on the South Shore from the Rockaways to the Amityville Cut.

But even enforcement and education can’t save lives when boat operators have the proper safety equipment on board but don’t use it.

Paddleboarders, kayakers and canoeists are required to have personal flotation devices aboard but are not required to wear them, said Officer Matthew Funaro, with Suffolk’s marine patrol.

“Now, what happens when you find yourself in the water without it?” Funaro said, pointing out that officers rescued a boater who was wearing his life vest upside down — clearly the man had managed to put on the vest only after he had gone into the water.

Stassi, the Nassau officer, wants to see mandatory boat education across the board.

Now, only powerboat operators born after May 1, 1996, have to take a safety course. Paddleboarders, canoers and kayakers don’t have to take any instruction.

A measure passed by the state lawmakers this year would change that, though. The bill still needs to be signed by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo to become law.

The measure is called Brianna’s Law, named for 11-year-old Brianna Lieneck of Deer Park, who died in a 2005 boating accident. Her parents, Gina and Frank Lieneck, and her sister, Danyelle, were seriously injured.

The law, advocated by Gina Lieneck, would require any powerboat operator older than 10 to take a boating safety course, a requirement that figures to affect most of the operators of more than 400,000 powerboats registered in New York.

Both county executives, Nassau’s Laura Curran and Suffolk’s Steve Bellone, have voiced support for stricter regulation. Curran is set to make a push for boating education at a news conference Monday with marine officers and Lieneck.

“We are hopeful that [new legislation] will have a positive effect,” said Nassau Police spokesman Det. Lt. Richard LeBrun

Even though boating is relatively safe, it could be safer, said Ensign Collin Reichelt, a Coast Guard spokesman with Sector Long Island Sound.

For Reichelt, boaters just need to use common sense: Don’t drink and operate a boat. Wear a life jacket. Have situational awareness. Check the weather. Plan for emergencies. Have safety equipment and use it. And he can tick off lots of other should-dos.

“Knowing your limits, your capabilities; having the proper safety equipment, knowing your safety equipment,” he said. “Knowing your environment, that it’s ever-changing and complex — that’s what prevents tragedies.”


MateOriginal Crew210 postsSince 2019
Capt13
Capt13FREE2019#30
The stuff that doesn't make the news ....... one of my best friends working as a harbormaster. They were in the office and had recognized how serious the storm was. There were no maydays calls yet. They ran down the dock and hopped on the boat as the storm hit and headed out knowing there might be people that need help. They saw a capsized hobie cat and headed towards it. Anyone that was out there knows how rough that bay got in the blink of an eye. They found a family of five struggling to stay afloat. Only one of the kids was wearing a PFD. I am glad the town recognized their actions that day.

Islip Town Board Recognizes Harbormasters for Heroism


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CaptainOriginal Crew2,530 postsSince 2018
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still tragic and fatal, but not murder - which involves intent.

If he's operating a 50' boat at an unsafe speed in a crowded area and wasn't intoxicated I hope to hell he's tried for murder. There's no way there's no malicious intent there, those are prime conditions for a serious accident.
MateOriginal Crew85 postsSince 2019
Fluke Whisperer
If he's operating a 50' boat at an unsafe speed in a crowded area and wasn't intoxicated I hope to hell he's tried for murder. There's no way there's no malicious intent there, those are prime conditions for a serious accident.
There is no way he will get tried for murder, seriously , you think the owner of that 50' boat got up that morning and thought, today is the day i'm going to run down someone in a small boat and kill them.
It all boils down to not knowing the rules of the road and I don't give a sh!t because I have a big boat, smaller boats should not be in my way, last but not least, not knowing the craft you bought, what it's capable of doing ,familiarity
with vessels that big is lacking with the people that buy them, just because they can doesn't mean they should.
First MateOriginal Crew508 postsSince 2019
pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2019#33
I kayak 8 to ten times more than I run my boat. Granted, I do my boating only on weekdays and my paddling is in or near 5mph zones and much of it on weekends. (Those of you who haven't been pulled over by Oyster Bay constables for over 5 in a channel or closer to beaches and houses, its just a matter of time before you will. That seems to be all Oyster Bay does though. I did get checked for a clamming permit in 1982 however.) Anyway, in general I find the 35' and up cabin cruisers, to be piloted much more courteously than the vast majority of PWCs, Sea Rays, cigarette style etc. that are much smaller, especially if they are joy riding with friends/family and not fishing. As I have said however, say the word "Chapmans." Crickets.
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CommodoreOriginal Crew7,034 postsSince 2018
live bait
live baitFREE2019#34
Just wondering if Brianna's Law had been passed & boat operators were required to take a safety course, does anyone think the recent accidents would not have happened.
John
CaptainOriginal Crew1,979 postsSince 2018
P
Brianna's Law has been passed by the NY State Senate and NY State Assemble. The bill is awaiting the governor's signature.

No way to know if it would have prevented an accident or not. We certainly don't have all the facts on the either accident.
MateOriginal Crew222 postsSince 2019
WhatKnot
WhatKnotFREE2019#36
Can’t say for sure if it will help. Maybe somewhat inconvenient for some but it won’t hurt. It’s an attempt.
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CommodoreOriginal Crew12,915 postsSince 2019
pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2019#37
Sea Tow and Boat US may have less towing jobs if more people understood which side of the buoys to steer. That said, stupidity, junkies and drunks, and and a lack of courtesy will prevail. I stick to just kayaking in 5mph areas on weekends.
Every day is Saturday.
CommodoreOriginal Crew7,034 postsSince 2018

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