I knew this masks don't work nonsense sounded familiar:
The Star Trek Enterprise arrives at Ardana to take on a shipment of zenite.
Kirk and Spock learn Ardanan society is divided between the Troglytes, who perform all physical labor, and city-dwellers who live in the cloud city of Stratos.
McCoy reports that unprocessed zenite emits an odorless, invisible gas which diminishes mental capacity and heightens emotions. Kirk offers special masks that filter the zenite gas. Vanna, a Troglyte rebel is skeptical, because she cannot see the gas. Eventually she acknowledges that she cannot see air either, but that lack of air will kill her.
Plasus has grudgingly allowed the distribution of the filter masks, and Vanna declares that her people's struggle for equality will continue.
Since the "published papers" cited in the website you mention are NOT peer reviewed, but websites that anyone can "publish" to, there's limited scientific value to this argument. The Clinical Infectious Diseases Correspondence is just that, a letter to the Editor that is not reviewed. However the data are interesting, as it has always been a difficult exercise to equate PCR Cycle Thresholds (Ct) to infectivity.
AAMOF I don't know of ANY instance where the smallest Ct has been resolved to determine the "infectious dose" for ANY virus. "Cutoff" determinations for highly dangerous viruses like COVID-19, HIV, HBV, HCV, etc. are always done on the side of caution. Higher number of cycles with the absence of viral nucleic acids are highly suggestive the person is not infected/infectious. You have to ask yourself this, would you like a unit of blood that has some HIV RNA detected in it after 25 cycles, 30 cycles, 35 cycles, 40 cycles? I sure as hell wouldn't...
And there is a gross error in the text of the article, "And this same test is used for hospitalizations"... NOBODY gets admitted to the hospital solely on a PCR positive result with no extreme and life threatening clinical symptoms. If they did that, the hospitals would have been chock full months ago. All states report "New Positives as determined with PCR, Resolved Patients, Hospitalized Patients Patients in the ICU and Patients on Ventilators. As you go down the last three categories on that list are the smallest, and no where near the "New Positives" number.
If these authors would like to better defend their treatise that high Cts do not correlate to infectivity, a prospective studies following folks with high Cts over a couple of months would answer the question. They could track RT-PCR Cts over that time from swabs, Viral Antigen from swabs, and IgG and IgM results from blood samples, along with basic clinical symptoms. When all these test results are correlated you can start to have a true clinical picture of whether or not the higher Cts are irrelevant from a clinical perspective. Nothing in this package shows these type of data.
You might find this interesting as well. Its' a 14 minute segment of interviews with some pretty heavy hitters in the medical field. (former scientific advisor at Pfizer, the creator of the PCR test, expert on PCR administration) etc.... The esteemed Dr. Fauci, at about 5 minutes in and 12 minutes in. To paraphrase : a cycle threshold of more than 35 the chances of being replication competent (infectious) are minuscule........ they are dead nucleotides period....."
How can something listed as Scientist believe and words like Evidence strongly suggest Be listed as facts
aren’t facts indisputable Concrete and provable beyond doubt
That's how scientists speak. Evolution is a theory that is well supported by evidence, but not necessarily the full picture. Gravity and magnetism are theories that are well supported with evidence, until/unless a better theory comes along, like relativity and quantum mechanics. Scientists believe that planes can fly, beyond a "reasonable" doubt, but sometimes they fall from the sky and the explanation why is very complicated. We send people to the electric chair based on "the evidence strongly suggests." Sometimes its the best you can do. Only "faith" can be so rock solid, because it is not based on anything real and is not subject to testing.
That's how scientists speak. Evolution is a theory that is well supported by evidence, but not necessarily the full picture. Gravity and magnetism are theories that are well supported with evidence, until/unless a better theory comes along, like relativity and quantum mechanics. Scientists believe that planes can fly, beyond a "reasonable" doubt, but sometimes they fall from the sky and the explanation why is very complicated. We send people to the electric chair based on "the evidence strongly suggests." Sometimes its the best you can do. Only "faith" can be so rock solid, because it is not based on anything real and is not subject to testing.
Wrong across the board
Fact your fingerprints are on the gun Speculation we have 5 points your fingerprints might be the ones on the gun
facts are facts and when you state things as we think or belive they aren’t facts but theories and speculations
you don’t crush economies and ruin lives on facts
here’s a fact the death rate as a percentage is very low Fact the government is destroying more lives than its saving
here’s another fact you can do what you wish And so can i
seven layers of Swiss cheese or seven hundred The cure can’t be allowed to be worse than the threat
and the needs of the many will always outweigh the needs of the few And 250000 or 500000 or a million are still the few When weighed against the economy of a nation
I guess that is what freedom is all about!!! Be selfish and get others sick!!
Here's a thought. A person does heroin. And they do it everyday in their closet at home. That is their freedom (although illegally obtained), so let's leave that out for this simple thought. They do heroin in their closet. Does it affect me? Again, probably not if they stay in their house. If they OD, well again, I may feel bad, but it does not physically affect me or my family.
So let's get into the mind of one of these festival folks. They refuse "to be conditioned to believe their freedom is selfish." So they head down to Mexico and have a wonderful time. Some are business owners and / or employees. Or maybe provide a service and / or food to maybe hundreds of people. Now they work a few days and feel sick. Hey, I am an adult and know what I am doing. And it spreads. And spreads.
Their irresponsibly and selfishness in the name of "freedom" possibly exposes my family and I with this illness. That is what angers me.
I don't know what the story is with the Mexican Festival people. Either they didn't do the proper traveler's forms and are facing a $10,000 fine - or they did all the required testing/quarantining and they still got sick.
Hard to tell what's what these days....
A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns- Mario Puzo
