Coronavirus

That was Telegraph article carried on Yahoo.................

And if you bothered to read the article instead pf s9mply just poo, pooing the source - you would have seen this:
*In an interview with the Telegraph, Yuli Edelstein, the country's health minister, said Israelis needed to stay vigilant as there was still a risk of catching the virus within two weeks of receiving a jab.

"Those who are getting the first shot should still be very, very cautious about their behaviour, due to the partial resistance to the disease," Mr Edelstein said.

"In my imagination, it's like the scene from the movie where you nearly escape the danger, and at the very last moment you catch a bullet."

He added: "It shows what we have already known, which is that the full 95 per cent protection comes after two shots."*

Oh excuse me for not citing the other CAPTAIN OBVIOUS crap in the article, which I did read. Here's a news flash for Mr. Edelstein, ain't even an MD or PhD: even people who've had both injections will have to "be very, very cautious". The vaccine isn't body armor that sets up a force field around you, prevent the entry of virus. The vaccine isn't going stop masks, social distancing, etc. Only when herd immunity causes the pandemic to burn out, will we start thinking about losing the masks.

Didn't say that, did he??? Fauci, et al. have been saying it, but since nobody wants to hear that, the news tends not to carry it.

There are many who have serious concerns regarding vaccination. If they just read headlines like this, some may make poor personal medical decisions based on a poorly written statement thanks to a internet headline editor looking for hits.

☝️☝️☝️ Just Two Weeks To Flaten The Curve Again???

☝️☝️☝️ Just Two Weeks To Flaten The Curve Again???

Which curve? I guess a reduction in cases from 300K to 230K in the near term could be supported, again in your mind, as a flattening. I mean deaths on 1/12 were 4,400 and 1/13 were 3,900. It's your opinion.

Still no real grasp on how many have actually had it
Still no real grasp on how long the vaccine that only stops you from getting very sick last
Still no clue about so so many things

but we all need to get stuck with some juice that no one has any real clue as to long term effects or side effects

all for a disease that has less than a minuscule chance of making most of us us mortally Ill

still not sold
but If Dom says I’m stupid must be so

Then DO NOT do it! Listen, if you get the call before me, please let me know and I will offer my arm up to science.

Crappo science. ANY vaccine will give some response after the first shot,

Really? Is this your expert opinion? Would you state your life on making this statement?

Before you answer, read about the Dengue Fever vaccine. I might have saved you life.....lol

Which curve? I guess a reduction in cases from 300K to 230K in the near term could be supported, again in your mind, as a flattening. I mean deaths on 1/12 were 4,400 and 1/13 were 3,900. It's your opinion.

This is what happens when you don’t play in the dirt growing up. So as stated above the Vaccine is not changing anything until Herd Immunity takes over aka Darwinism, runs its coarse.

This is what happens when you don’t play in the dirt growing up. So as stated above the Vaccine is not changing anything until Herd Immunity takes over aka Darwinism, runs its coarse.

So folks who did not play in the dirt growing up are the people dying? Please, please share your data source.

So folks who did not play in the dirt growing up are the people dying? Please, please share your data source.

Posts like this warm the cockles of my heart, as they demonstrate the poster hasn't a clue as to what they are talking about.

For the record, I do agree that some of our current health problems in terms of things like common food allergies, e.g. peanut butter, are a direct cause of the fairly sterile lives children live these days. Playing in the dirt is a good thing for developing immune systems, in My Opinion.

Now, I could interpolate your comments to include possible Corona viruses enhanced immunity, but only if kids play in bat-infested caves with lots of bat guano in the dirt. However since few, if any of us have done that, your hypothesis is just bat chit crazy. (Sorry, but that was a rare scientific hanging curve that had to be slugged out of the park)

As to your Darwinism vs. Herd Immunity comment, that is so off base it's tragically laughable. You do realize to deliver the Herd Immunity number of 80%, 80% of the US population will have to have successfully fought off a COVID-19 infection or have had the full course of the vaccine. Let's figure out what that number is: 80% of 331 million people = 265 million people.

NOW the ugly math. The vaccines, are 95% effective in a recipient contracting COVID-19, which is damn good, AND they are 100% effective in keeping any vaccinated people OUT OF A COFFIN, so none of those 265 million vaccinated people will die.

Evoking the memory of my beloved Charles Darwin, there will continue to be deaths as the US population reaches that 80% got sick number, so let's figure those numbers.

Let's US fatality rate due to COVID-19 by taking the number of deaths, 386,000 per 23.2 million cases or 1.66%

So in the vaccinated world of 80% herd immunity, NONE of the vaccinated group, although 1.66% of the 20% unvaccinated folks will die. That number is 1.1 million

HOWEVER, since we're going full Darwin Herd Immunity, 80% of the population is going to have to get sick, so that means we'll have 4.4 million deaths over the 1.1 million deaths from the folks who were waiting for the 80% vaccination rate to be achieved. Of course the 1.66% death rate depends on a working health care system. As more and more people get sick, the hospitals will get overloaded and the death rate will climb as the quality of care will drop.

Are you comfortable with 4.4 million PREVENTABLE DEATHS in the US??

Posts like this warm the cockles of my heart, as they demonstrate the poster hasn't a clue as to what they are talking about.

For the record, I do agree that some of our current health problems in terms of things like common food allergies, e.g. peanut butter, are a direct cause of the fairly sterile lives children live these days. Playing in the dirt is a good thing for developing immune systems, in My Opinion.

Now, I could interpolate your comments to include possible Corona viruses enhanced immunity, but only if kids play in bat-infested caves with lots of bat guano in the dirt. However since few, if any of us have done that, your hypothesis is just bat chit crazy. (Sorry, but that was a rare scientific hanging curve that had to be slugged out of the park)

As to your Darwinism vs. Herd Immunity comment, that is so off base it's tragically laughable. You do realize to deliver the Herd Immunity number of 80%, 80% of the US population will have to have successfully fought off a COVID-19 infection or have had the full course of the vaccine. Let's figure out what that number is: 80% of 331 million people = 265 million people.

NOW the ugly math. The vaccines, are 95% effective in a recipient contracting COVID-19, which is damn good, AND they are 100% effective in keeping any vaccinated people OUT OF A COFFIN, so none of those 265 million vaccinated people will die.

Evoking the memory of my beloved Charles Darwin, there will continue to be deaths as the US population reaches that 80% got sick number, so let's figure those numbers.

Let's US fatality rate due to COVID-19 by taking the number of deaths, 386,000 per 23.2 million cases or 1.66%

So in the vaccinated world of 80% herd immunity, NONE of the vaccinated group, although 1.66% of the 20% unvaccinated folks will die. That number is 1.1 million

HOWEVER, since we're going full Darwin Herd Immunity, 80% of the population is going to have to get sick, so that means we'll have 4.4 million deaths over the 1.1 million deaths from the folks who were waiting for the 80% vaccination rate to be achieved. Of course the 1.66% death rate depends on a working health care system. As more and more people get sick, the hospitals will get overloaded and the death rate will climb as the quality of care will drop.

Are you comfortable with 4.4 million PREVENTABLE DEATHS in the US??

Are you comfortable with how many die from smoking and seconded hand around the globe. Seen five million as average. Totally preventable right?
And according to Suffolk County Steve Ballone all 1.2 million will have or had (like me and becoming close to all I know) in five months with his numbers within this county anyway.

Bat Shit is still in Mascara, No?
Their shit defies Newton’s theory? There all over the place around my house.
Flying around using porta-poty’s I guess.

Are you comfortable with how many die from smoking and seconded hand around the globe. Seen five million as average. Totally preventable right?

Sure is, but it's an individual's decision and doesn't impact anyone BUT the person choosing to smoke, now that second hand smoke is controlled. It is NOT a communicable disease, try another...

As for your bat guano theory, see below from Snopes. Thank you for this comment, now I know why I find my wife's mascara extremely exciting...

Mascara contains the crystalline form of guanine, a word that derives from the Spanish word guano, meaning “dung.” Guanine is used extensively in the cosmetics industry, where it functions as a colorant and as an opacifying (shimmering or light diffusing) agent. It’s found in bath products, cleansing products, fragrances, hair conditioners, lipsticks, nail products, shampoos and skin care products. The crystalline guanine used in beauty products doesn’t derive from excrement, though, either from bats or from any other critter. Yet there is a bit of a “yuck!” factor to that ingredient, as guanine is manufactured from fish scales, which means you’re likely finding a little bit of Nemo in your cosmetics drawer.

I can understand your confusion regarding Suffolk County, I'm confused. If the numbers are correct, 1.2 million cases on a population of 1.47 million folks, you're at 83%. The only things I can surmise is that either the numbers are off for things like year round population under call because of all the "refugees" from the city moving out there/running out to their summer homes, and/or the difference between a PCR positive and someone who had enough virus to mount an full-blown immunological response. Unfortunately, we don't have good population data to see what % of people with a PCR positive result and COVID Antibody Tests.

PCR can be too sensitive, something I explained the COVID science thread. It's a scientists sure fire way to find that needle in the haystack. And since it's exquisitely specific, one has to be careful calling a PCR positive result as a true case of COVID infection. If you've noticed, most of the tests say they're best used on symptomatic people.

Now there is talk about high numbers of false positive PCR results. I believe you and/or Tony commented on this. That's not true, the test did correctly detect COVID nucleic acids. It's just that we can't correlate the number/amount of nucleic acid with the actual clinical situation. If the testing is done with 40 cycles, a SINGLE strand of viral RNA will be detected as > 500 billion copies. Sometimes it's a good idea to turn down the volume.

Sure is, but it's an individual's decision and doesn't impact anyone BUT the person choosing to smoke, now that second hand smoke is controlled. It is NOT a communicable disease, try another...

As for your bat guano theory, see below from Snopes. Thank you for this comment, now I know why I find my wife's mascara extremely exciting...

Mascara contains the crystalline form of guanine, a word that derives from the Spanish word guano, meaning “dung.” Guanine is used extensively in the cosmetics industry, where it functions as a colorant and as an opacifying (shimmering or light diffusing) agent. It’s found in bath products, cleansing products, fragrances, hair conditioners, lipsticks, nail products, shampoos and skin care products. The crystalline guanine used in beauty products doesn’t derive from excrement, though, either from bats or from any other critter. Yet there is a bit of a “yuck!” factor to that ingredient, as guanine is manufactured from fish scales, which means you’re likely finding a little bit of Nemo in your cosmetics drawer.

I knew that..........
:)

I knew that..........
:)

Was waiting for you to chime in on bat chit there Larry!!

Was waiting for you to chime in on bat chit there Larry!!

42 years with Estee Lauder - 10 of which were in Quality Control in the Labs. Knew about the fish scales (anything with pearl in it). You don't wanna know what's actually in all that whitening tooth paste people are using.

Then DO NOT do it! Listen, if you get the call before me, please let me know and I will offer my arm up to science.

Will do
You’ll make a fine test rat

but don’t hold your breath
I’m only 57 will be a while till I get that call

42 years with Estee Lauder - 10 of which were in Quality Control in the Labs. Knew about the fish scales (anything with pearl in it). You don't wanna know what's actually in all that whitening tooth paste people are using.

Yeah but my whites are brighter then ever

Really? Is this your expert opinion? Would you state your life on making this statement?

Before you answer, read about the Dengue Fever vaccine. I might have saved you life.....lol

You didn't read enough, nor was I clear. When you make up any old vaccine and inoculate some thing with it, there will be an immune response. Whether or not that response if enough to impart immunity depends on what bug you're talking about. I've used bunnies, goats, & pigs to make antibodies for assays I've worked with. We check their antibody levels after each injection and, yes there is response to the first shot, so the statement as written is 100% correct.

I went on further to explain that in the case of the current COVID vaccines, you the complete course of 2 vaccines to get that 100% protection from severe and life threatening COVID.

Are there vaccine debacles? Yes there are and Dengue is just one example. At least the US approval for use included strict instructions regarding NOT administering the vaccine to children who have had a prior Dengue infection. The virus uses the old "attenuated" virus method, which takes multiple iterations of the nasty bug itself, and makes some biochemical alterations that are believed to render the virus harmless, but able to activate the immune system. Dengue infections may actually use antibodies against it to further infect people so it's important that the vaccine is NOT used on Dengue "virgins". This was not known when there was the problems seen in the Philippines when the vaccine was first used there. Since I'm a Dengue virgin, and I'm over 16 years old by a long shot, I'm not a candidate for the current vaccine and I would never be able to get vaccinated per FDA guidance, so thanks for the warning, but you didn't potentially save my life. Hopefully there will be a better vaccine should I need to into the jungle.

That being said, I just want to reiterate that the two approved Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines have absolutely no native virus components. It does have a mRNA sequence identical to the sequence that the virus forces an infected cell to make to produce the spike protein and no other parts of the virus. The vaccine doesn't contain any actual viral components

Great

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So it’s easier to tell the public “No” it’s in fish scales like it’s safer to tell the masses “No” we are really not relying on Darwinism?
I’ll believe the Urban Legend thank you and the obvious.

I'll believe the Urban Legend thank you and the obvious.

Aye, there's the rub, and speaks volumes...

In case you missed it, ALL living organisms have guanine. It's in our DNA and RNA.

I came here for my daily dose of Tony. I’ll be back later.