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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#5481

I’m still struggling with how crappy they filled out the vax cards. A kid could get a blank one and fill it out.

Not sure what you mean BennyV. My card has a stick on label from the actual vaccine used with details like lot number and expiration date on it, so anyone would have to make those also.

It's not "ironclad", but it's a further step up from just filling out a blank card.

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jpd
jpdMODnoreaster.com2021#5482

Mine is a piece of thick paper with scribblings on it - no stickers

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BennyV
BennyVFREE2021#5483

Not sure what you mean BennyV. My card has a stick on label from the actual vaccine used with details like lot number and expiration date on it, so anyone would have to make those also.

It's not "ironclad", but it's a further step up from just filling out a blank card.

I’ve seen people looking at their friends and filling out a blank one in a Starbucks with all of the above mentioned information. Kind of nuts.

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#5484

I’ve seen people looking at their friends and filling out a blank one in a Starbucks with all of the above mentioned information. Kind of nuts.

Yeah, but they wouldn't have the sticker for the vaccine info, so anyone knowledgeable in the protocol would know that's falsified.

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jpd
jpdMODnoreaster.com2021#5485

Yeah, but they wouldn't have the sticker for the vaccine info, so anyone knowledgeable in the protocol would know that's falsified.

Not here in NY - no stickers and I had both done by the state at the Yonkers armory.

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#5486

Not here in NY - no stickers and I had both done by the state at the Yonkers armory.

Interesting, but you do have the Empire thingie, not that any of these are even close to ironclad...

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pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#5487

Yup, in Newyorkistan just chicken scratch, no RN's name and can barely read the lot number. OTOH, with all the info provided to get the jab, I would think "they" could establish a database pretty darn easily. Privacy concerns ? Trumped by the need for the public "good." (no pun intended)

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wader
waderFREE2021#5488

Not here in NY - no stickers and I had both done by the state at the Yonkers armory.

my "card" has the sticker for the second dose - 1st one was just handwritten in

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AdmiralOriginal Crew20,900 postsSince 2018
Jaws1948

Mine is a piece of thick paper with scribblings on it - no stickers

Mine also is just a piece of cardstock from the CDC and they simply scribbled on it the date, Janssen, the lot # and the healthcare professional's name "Gladys" No last name, no sticker, nothing really official looking.

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First MateOriginal Crew283 postsSince 2019
longcast

Same on mine.

AdmiralOriginal Crew20,417 postsSince 2019
OVERBORED

There IS a database in NY.

Your info will show up 15 days after your last shot.

As far as fake vaccine cards....well....my immunization record from childhood looks like a 2nd grader wrote on it as well so its not just the Covid vax.....nothing is perfect

I see people driving around with temporary plates that are expired.........etc, etc

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Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
Chinacat

There IS a database in NY.

Your info will show up 15 days after your last shot.

As far as fake vaccine cards....well....my immunization record from childhood looks like a 2nd grader wrote on it as well so its not just the Covid vax.....nothing is perfect

I see people driving around with temporary plates that are expired.........etc, etc

Scammers will scam whatever the situation happens to be. I guess CV 19 vaccinations is just the new thing to scam

At least I'm enjoyin' the ride.....
CommodoreOriginal Crew7,065 postsSince 2018
pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#5493

True, I did register the first day when that NY database came out but it seemed to me that the one I registered on did not even verify anything, just accepted the dates of my two shots and drove on ! I also went on some site that they handed out when I got the shot that wanted feedback as to reactions, etc. Even though I kept texting them that I didn't have anything but a sore arm for a couple of days both times, they continued to text me at 4PM the next day and the next until I finally texted STOP and was done with it.

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#5494

[HEADING=2]Many Post-Covid Patients Are Experiencing New Medical Problems, Study Finds[/HEADING]
An analysis of health insurance records of almost two million coronavirus patients found new issues in nearly a quarter — including those whose Covid infection was mild or asymptomatic.

[Many Post-Covid Patients Are Experiencing New Medical Problems, Study Finds]("https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/15/health/covid-19-patients.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage")

Hundreds of thousands of Americans have sought medical care for post-Covid health problems that they had not been diagnosed with before becoming infected with the coronavirus, according to the largest study to date of long-term symptoms in Covid-19 patients.

The [study]('https://bit.ly/3v8RSQv'), tracking the health insurance records of nearly two million people in the United States who contracted the coronavirus last year, found that one month or more after their infection, almost one-quarter — 23 percent — of them sought medical treatment for new conditions.

Those affected were all ages, including children. Their most common new health problems were pain, including in nerves and muscles; breathing difficulties; high cholesterol; malaise and fatigue; and high blood pressure. Other issues included intestinal symptoms; migraines; skin problems; heart abnormalities; sleep disorders; and mental health conditions like anxiety and depression.

Post-Covid health problems were common even among people who had not gotten sick from the virus at all, the study found. While nearly half of patients who were hospitalized for Covid-19 experienced subsequent medical issues, so did 27 percent of people who had mild or moderate symptoms and 19 percent of people who said they were asymptomatic.

“One thing that was surprising to us was the large percentage of asymptomatic patients that are in that category of long Covid,” said Robin Gelburd, president of FAIR Health, a nonprofit organization that conducted the study based on what it says is the nation’s largest database of private health insurance claims.

More than half of the 1,959,982 patients whose records were evaluated reported no symptoms from their Covid infection. Forty percent had symptoms but didn’t require hospitalization, including 1 percent whose only symptom was loss of taste or smell; only 5 percent were hospitalized.

Ms. Gelburd said the fact that asymptomatic people can have post-Covid symptoms is important to emphasize, so that patients and doctors can know to consider the possibility that some health issues may actually be aftereffects of the coronavirus. “There are some people who may not have even known they had Covid,” she said, “but if they continue to present with some of these conditions that are unusual for their health history, it may be worth some further investigation by the medical professional that they’re working with.”

The report, which will be posted publicly on Tuesday morning on the organization’s website, analyzed records of people diagnosed with Covid-19 between February and December 2020, tracking them until February 2021. It found that 454,477 people consulted health providers for symptoms 30 days or more after their infection. FAIR Health said the analysis was evaluated by an independent academic reviewer but was not formally peer-reviewed.

“The strength of this study is really its size and its ability to look across the range of disease severity in a diversity of age groups,” said Dr. Helen Chu, an associate professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the University of Washington School of Medicine, who was not involved in the report. “This is a hard study to do with that much data.”

The report “drives home the point that long Covid can affect nearly every organ system,” said Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, chief of the research and development service at the VA St. Louis Health Care System, who was not involved in the new study.

“Some of these manifestations are chronic conditions that will last a lifetime and will forever scar some individuals and families,” added Dr. Al-Aly, who was an author of a [large study]('https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/health/covid-patients-health-risks-long-term.html') published in April of lingering symptoms in Covid patients in the Department of Veterans Affairs health system.

In the new study, the most common issue for which patients sought medical care was pain — including nerve inflammation and aches and pains associated with nerves and muscles — which was reported by more than 5 percent of patients or nearly 100,000 people, more than a fifth of those who reported post-Covid problems. Breathing difficulties, including shortness of breath, were experienced by 3.5 percent of post-Covid patients.

Nearly 3 percent of patients sought treatment for symptoms that were labeled with diagnostic codes for malaise and fatigue, a far-reaching category that could include issues like brain fog and exhaustion that gets worse after physical or mental activity — effects that have been reported by many people with long Covid.

Other new issues for patients, especially adults in their 40s and 50s, included high cholesterol, diagnosed in 3 percent of all post-Covid patients, and high blood pressure, diagnosed in 2.4 percent, the report said. Dr. Al-Aly said such health conditions, which have not been commonly considered aftereffects of the virus, make it “increasingly clear that post-Covid or long Covid has a metabolic signature marked by derangements in the metabolic machinery.”

Relatively few deaths — 594 — occurred 30 days or more post-Covid, and most were among people who had been hospitalized for their coronavirus infection, the report found.

The study, like many involving electronic records, only addressed some aspects of the post-Covid landscape. It did not say when patients’ symptoms arose or how long the problems persisted, and it did not evaluate exactly when after infection patients sought help from doctors, only that it was 30 days or more.

The database included only people with private health insurance or Medicare Advantage, not those uninsured or covered by Medicare Parts A, B and D, Medicaid or other government health programs. Dr. Chu said people without insurance or with incomes low enough to qualify for Medicaid are often “more likely to have worse outcomes,” so the findings may understate the prevalence of some post-Covid health problems or may not represent the full picture.

In addition, diagnostic codes in electronic records are “only as good as what is documented by the provider who saw the patient,” said Dr. Chu, a co-author of a smaller [study]('https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776560?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=021921') of post-Covid symptoms among patients at the University of Washington.

For example, neurological or cognitive issues like brain fog may be underreported because doctors may not find an appropriate diagnostic code or patients may not be seeking medical help for that specific issue, FAIR Health said.

It’s also possible that some people classified as having asymptomatic Covid-19 infections developed symptoms after they tested positive. And some people who received their first diagnosis of a medical issue like hypertension or high cholesterol post-Covid might have previously had those issues but never sought or received treatment.

Another limitation of the study is that it did not compare people who had Covid-19 with those who did not, making it unclear if rates of post-Covid symptoms were higher than in a more general population. Dr. Al-Aly’s study, which made such a comparison, found that between one and six months after becoming infected with the coronavirus, patients who’d had Covid had a 60 percent greater risk of death and a 20 percent greater chance of needing outpatient medical care than people who had not been infected.

The FAIR Health report excluded patients with certain serious or chronic pre-existing conditions like cancer, kidney disease, H.I.V., liver disease and stroke because researchers said it would be difficult to separate their previous health status from post-Covid symptoms.

The report did not explore connections between other pre-existing conditions patients had and their likelihood of developing post-Covid symptoms. But it said that people with intellectual disabilities or those with Alzheimer’s disease or dementia had a greater risk of dying 30 days or more after their infection.

Overall, experts said, the report’s findings underscore the widespread and varied nature of post-Covid symptoms.

“People with long Covid need multidisciplinary care,” said Dr. Al-Aly, “and our health systems should adapt to this reality and develop capacity to deal with these patients.”

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#5495

A picture is worth 600,000 words...

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AdmiralOriginal Crew21,717 postsSince 2018
OVERBORED

Delta variant is something the Antivax crowd should be VERY concerned about.......

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
wader
waderFREE2021#5497

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-hospitalized-covid-19-now-100140919.html[/URL]

Falling rates of COVID-19 across the United States mask a harsh reality – the overwhelming majority of those getting sick and being hospitalized today are unvaccinated, while vaccinated people are vanishingly rare.

"Well, it's alright.
.............even if you're old and gray."
"Well, it's alright.
............you still got something to say."
AdmiralOriginal Crew20,900 postsSince 2018
dsedy
dsedyFREE2021#5499

So much fear. Don't fear
live your life
be happy.

CommodoreOriginal Crew5,100 postsSince 2019
OVERBORED

Lets not confuse "living your life" with being careless.

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