Coronavirus

I can just as easily say the unvaccinated are lab rats.

They are the control group, to see whether the vaccine is effective or not.

They are the control group, to see whether the vaccine is effective or not.

True that, and the data to date say they are getting VERY SICK when they get infected, especially with the Delta Variant...

A few data points about Delta from Public Health England. You can see cases and deaths by **vaccination status. . This is thru June 21st 2021 in England.

Unvaccinated: 53.8K cases, 44 Deaths
Vaccinated in Aggregate: 27.1K Cases 70 Deaths

**

EVERYTHING IS A MATTER OF WEIGHING THE ODDS...NOTHING IS 100% SAFE FOR EVERYONE....the reward outweighs the risk with the vaccine.

Even crossing the street when the light is green is no guarantee you will get across safely....some won't.

I know many people who were afflicted with covid with complications,,,,,, but no one that has a serious side affect from the vaccine.....I'm sure there are because everyones chemistry is different....I just have not seen them

A few data points about Delta from Public Health England. You can see cases and deaths by **vaccination status. . This is thru June 21st 2021 in England.

Unvaccinated: 53.8K cases, 44 Deaths
Vaccinated in Aggregate: 27.1K Cases 70 Deaths**

Here is how that chart gets misread

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-phe-covid/fact-check-data-shows-covid-19-vaccines-have-saved-thousands-of-lives-contrary-claims-have-taken-a-phe-report-out-of-context-idUSL1N2OQ16L[/URL]

A few data points about Delta from Public Health England. You can see cases and deaths by **vaccination status. . This is thru June 21st 2021 in England.

Unvaccinated: 53.8K cases, 44 Deaths
Vaccinated in Aggregate: 27.1K Cases 70 Deaths

**

NOTE: Wrote below before I saw [USER=63]@jpd[/USER] post above. His preempts mine, but my drivel below shows another facet of how folks can twist raw data into irrelevant nonsense.

Can't use the 1 vaccination data in with the "vaccinated" data in your assessment in that it's well-documented that a single vaccination of either Moderna, Pfizer or AstraZeneca only provides 40-50% protection against Delta. Those data should be looked at as a single set, HIGHLIGHTING why you need to get both vaccinations of a 2 dose COVID vaccine.

one good thing bout CV19, I created my own armpit deodorant… 50/50 parts of Aloe Vera gel with either alcohol or minty alcohol, for a home made, inexpensive, natural, refreshing, healthier rub… I use it after shaving and showering every day… cellfish…

.

NOTE: Wrote below before I saw [USER=63]@jpd[/USER] post above. His preempts mine, but my drivel below shows another facet of how folks can twist raw data into irrelevant nonsense.

Can't use the 1 vaccination data in with the "vaccinated" data in your assessment in that it's well-documented that a single vaccination of either Moderna, Pfizer or AstraZeneca only provides 40-50% protection against Delta. Those data should be looked at as a single set, HIGHLIGHTING why you need to get both vaccinations of a 2 dose COVID vaccine.

Not doing percentages here or anything like that. I read JPD's post. And I understand the 2 dose effectiveness stats you describe as well.

On face value the chart is what it is.
27K with at least 1 dose and 70 deaths. (not fully protected with one dose, I get that)
7K fully vaxed and 50 deaths.
54K unvaxed and 44 deaths.

Unfortunately and has been the case throughout this exercise, is the fact that they don't break down the ## between a case with or without symptoms.

Not doing percentages here or anything like that. I read JPD's post.

On face value the chart is what it is.
21K with at least 1 dose and 70 deaths.
7K fully vaxed and 50 deaths.
54K unvaxed and 44 deaths.

Continue to talk yourself and others into half truths, improperly analyzed data and fallacies.

Here's one unfudged nor overanalyzed fact, >99.5% of US COVID fatalities occur in folks who are not fully vaccinated.

It all boils down to a Clint Eastwood moment...

Continue to talk yourself and others into half truths, improperly analyzed data and fallacies.

Here's one unfudged nor overanalyzed fact, >99.5% of US COVID fatalities occur in folks who are not fully vaccinated.

It all boils down to a Clint Eastwood moment...

Sorry you don't like the #'s from Public Health England.

On face value the chart is what it is.
27K with at least 1 dose and 70 deaths. (not fully protected with one dose, I get that)
7K fully vaxed and 50 deaths.
54K unvaxed and 44 deaths.

On face value the chart is what it is.
27K with at least 1 dose and 70 deaths. (not fully protected with one dose, I get that)
7K fully vaxed and 50 deaths.
54K unvaxed and 44 deaths.

Let's say their population is 80% vaxed, or 4 times as many as the unvaxed.
As a representative sample, you'd have to multiply the unvaxed numbers by 4 - 216k cases and 176 deaths would be more comparable to the population size of the vaxed.

Plus the ones that got vaxed are mainly the ones that were most vulnerable, so you'd have to reduce their numbers by percentage points due to their demographic.

My history prof at Hofstra said "statistics are like ladies of the night, once you get them down you can do anything you want with them." (That was 1969-70 so he still made tenure.)
Not sure if I would have fought off a virus infection without the shot but at age 70 wasn't going to chance it. With such a tiny percentage of bad reactions, and the chance that I could pass it on to someone who would not or could not fight it off... Regardless, everyone we know and care about (excepting friends' grandkids), has been vaccinated. Those that haven't, just roll the dice, AMIIGAF.

Hospitals are not at capacity
Vaccines and information are available to all that chose to get them or review it
Mask and other ppe are available to those that chose to utilize them

the time has long ago come to let the ppl do as they wish to protect themselves as they see fit

Hospitals are not at capacity
Vaccines and information are available to all that chose to get them or review it
Mask and other ppe are available to those that chose to utilize them

the time has long ago come to let the ppl do as they wish to protect themselves as they see fit

AGREED!!!!!(y)

Hospitals are not at capacity
Vaccines and information are available to all that chose to get them or review it
Mask and other ppe are available to those that chose to utilize them

the time has long ago come to let the ppl do as they wish to protect themselves as they see fit

I guess when someone posts enough, I am bound to completely agree as well, lol. As posted earlier, if someone chooses to roll the dice and I consider myself and mine safe regardless, AMIIGAF.

EVERYTHING IS A MATTER OF WEIGHING THE ODDS...NOTHING IS 100% SAFE FOR EVERYONE....the reward outweighs the risk with the vaccine.

Even crossing the street when the light is green is no guarantee you will get across safely....some won't.

I know many people who were afflicted with covid with complications,,,,,, but no one that has a serious side affect from the vaccine.....I'm sure there are because everyones chemistry is different....I just have not seen them

I feel fine. My socks don’t fit right for some reason though.

I feel fine. My socks don’t fit right for some reason though.

You should paint those toe nails Benny

I feel fine. My socks don’t fit right for some reason though.

YOU LOST A COUPLE OF TOES SINCE THE VACCINE EH?

YOU LOST A COUPLE OF TOES SINCE THE VACCINE EH?

I think he gained some