Coronavirus

they won't however become seriously ill or end up in the hospital or die as the non vaccinated stand a good chance of doing
:rolleyes:

Time will tell on both counts, still early on in the experiment

Too funny that early on in this mess peeps was losing there shit saying we dont need the gov’t telling us what to do we smart enuf to make safe smart decisions so back the F off
Now businesses are moving forward with making decisions and rules of how its gonna be on their private property and peeps again losing their shit how dare this or that business decide how things are gonna be on their own private property and saying they gonna boycott them
Clueless damn people just like to complain complain complain

And BTW you cant boycott a business that already told you that you aint welcome there baaahaaahaaaaa?

Too funny that early on in this mess peeps was losing there shit saying we dont need the gov’t telling us what to do we smart enuf to make safe smart decisions so back the F off
Now businesses are moving forward with making decisions and rules of how its gonna be on their private property and peeps again losing their shit how dare this or that business decide how things are gonna be on their own private property and saying they gonna boycott them
Clueless damn people just like to complain complain complain

Lets see how many actually do it lol Plenty werent doing it when they were supposed to be

Lets see how many actually do it lol Plenty werent doing it when they were supposed to be

True dat

J

they won't however become seriously ill or end up in the hospital or die as the non vaccinated stand a good chance of doing
:rolleyes:

Since when is under 1 percent a good chance of anything

they won't however become seriously ill or end up in the hospital or die as the non vaccinated stand a good chance of doing
:rolleyes:

Some my bet is many businesswill simply ignore it
Many more will forge vaccination cards

there 0 sense in making a rule that won’t be followed is impossible to enforce and is so easy to work around
But such is liberal governance
Stupid

So here is my "non-scientific" observation from the last 18 months leading into current times. I am sure we all knew someone who had COVID or worse, died from COVID. Heck, my wife and I had it, my daughter did too and my son, well only antibodies to show for his adventure, he never knew he had it. Only minor residual for me is sometimes food just does not seem the same yet. Very subtle flavors missing, or not appreciated by those taste buds, but again, NO ISSUE, I am upright and functioning fine in society. 3 of us vaccinated, son finishing up his in the next week or so. So fast forward to recent times. There are five cases right now that are "close to home". Current results - 1 death, 2 hospitalizations requiring life saving treatment, and two as I sometimes read here " just a cold" type symptoms. Further research - 1 death and 2 hospitalizations no vaccine, the two "colds" are vaccinated. What does this mean, nothing! Just a first hand observation.

Vaccines show great promises
Hell they may even prove out in the long run
For some the short term gain and it is a real gain maybe worth the potential long term risk

what really boggles my mind is vaccines are supposed to mimic natural immunity
And they are pushing this shot even for those that have had it
They are discounting at 100 percent the immunity from having had covid

that’s kinda like saying vitamins are better than vegetable
And
Processed foods better than real whole natural foods

something not right here , they are hiding something

so again take it don’t take it
Make your own call
Consult your doctor
Use your brain

but for lords sake keep the damn gunberment out of your life

what really boggles my mind is vaccines are supposed to mimic natural immunity
And they are pushing this shot even for those that have had it
They are discounting at 100 percent the immunity from having had covid

Tony, your statement used to be true, and I mean >20 years ago, but since then modern science has allowed vaccines, and I mean all vaccines, to focus on ensuring that a vaccine makes the recipient focus their immune response to one or a few critical targets.

When you're naïve to an infection, your immune system makes 100s, if not 1000s antibodies of different specificity to the "bug". Now only a handful, if not less, of these different types are actually be effective in killing the bug or impacting it's ability to reproduce inside you. Modern vaccines focus your immune system to make the most effective antibodies. In the case of COVID, to make antibodies against "key" on the spike protein which is critical to opening a host cell to infection.

As far as the 100% immunity of previous infections, there have been breakthrough cases and no one is sure how long natural immunity will last, so as a precaution, they're recommending the vaccine. More antibodies sure can't hurt, especially if recovered COVID patients antibodies' are mostly directed at unimportant parts of the COVID virus.

And as a note, although Pfizer is recommending a booster because of a dropping antibody levels in vaccinated folks, Moderna just published data showing no need for a booster. This is all a work in progress and I fully expect there will be boosters in a future, if not to re-energize our immune system, but to address new variants as they continue to mutate.

I’m with you
But to 100 percent discount natural immunity ( as it seems is the case)
Especially after that idiot fauchi said specifically on many many occasions we needed the vaccine to speed up heard immunity because the risk of waiting for it to happen natural was to great) to follow that logic there would be no heard immunity without the vaccine and that’s simply untrue , or we’d all never have been born .)
Is simply bonkers

I’m am in no way anti vax
I am however pro choice in the broadest sense of the words
I’m also very very anti goverment

the words I’m from the goverment and I’m here to help
Hurt my ears and offend every fiber in my body

the words I’m from the goverment and I’m here to help
Hurt my ears and offend every fiber in my body

AMEN, as I'm retired from a highly, Federally-regulated industry. My favorite, and most exasperating example is, "Yes I see your point that doing this test as stated in the regs is scientifically invalid, but since it's in the regs you must do it!"

Gods honest truth, while the same situation was met in Germany with, "Ya, don't do that test, that makes no sense, but your suggested substitute is a great idea!"

I live that every day with the uscg

Young kids , no clue
Walk by things they shouldnt
And fixate on book bull crap

it’s fully understandable as we’ve all on all sides have issues with guberment

why ppl are hesitant

belive me had the orange idiot still been in the White House , the left would be screaming that it was rushed and unsafe , while the far right would be clamming for it to be gabbed into every arm

the path forward is simple make your own choice and move on forward

Guess the definition should be rewritten.

Guess the definition should be rewritten.

No definition is fine, just how we use the term, similar to calling photocopies "Xeroxes" or facial tissue "Kleenex". Yes, no vaccine itself works directly against a virus, they depend on stimulating the immune system to do that, and I've never said that any vaccine directly stops a virus so what's your point?

FYI: Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, is the officially FDA approved product name, for this, a vaccine that elicits in immune response against the COVID-19 spike protein.

Also I think you screenshot is NOT something you looked up on the OED website, but something you found on one of your "Fake News" websites. I'd love to see the link because that parenthetical statement seems to be an insert.

Here's what I get from OED, and it doesn't have that statement: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803115026742

Too much flip flopping back and forth, on what works and what doesn't work. Mask work, mask don't work. You get the shot no need for mask, now you need it. Too much shoving it down our throats and rushing. I think it's one political scam. I'm still not taking the jab yet and like I said for work since it's being pushed so hard, I'll get tested when need be.

At 70, I am still kayak fishing and deer hunting, mowing my lawn, etc. If I were 40, I would think much like that, especially since they would have to have me show up for the test on THEIR time, not mine, just like when I would laugh off having to go for "random urinalysis." Of everyone in the office, I was usually the one least likely to use pot, coke or any of the other stupid stuff, yet I was "selected" more than everyone. Wish I could have won Lotto as often. But I got the Moderna to help prevent hospitalization or an earlier than I would prefer, death.

At 70, I am still kayak fishing and deer hunting, mowing my lawn, etc. If I were 40, I would think much like that, especially since they would have to have me show up for the test on THEIR time, not mine, just like when I would laugh off having to go for "random urinalysis." Of everyone in the office, I was usually the one least likely to use pot, coke or any of the other stupid stuff, yet I was "selected" more than everyone. Wish I could have won Lotto as often. But I got the Moderna to help prevent hospitalization or an earlier than I would prefer, death.

I'm sure the Union will work something out, but it better well be on THEIR time.. Just like the random urinalysis is.

Also I think you screenshot is NOT something you looked up on the OED website, but something you found on one of your "Fake News" websites. I'd love to see the link because that parenthetical statement seems to be an insert.

I read that line as the word used in context, whether or not you define "against" as directly or indirectly..