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OVERBORED

The goal of the vax was never immunity!

The goal of the vax was to lessen the symptoms rendering the virus as a harmless inconvenience.

After 300+million test subjects and FDA approval it would be safe to say the vaccines are working as advertised.

If you care about kids under 12, get vaccinated. Mark my words, they will be the next group to suffer most!

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
Rick67
Rick67FREE2021#6582

Still BS.
FDA said 2003 and now poof.

KFA-NY BOD.
Yellow Eyed Devils.
Yak Pack.
CommodoreOriginal Crew6,097 postsSince 2019
pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#6583

2003?

Every day is Saturday.
CommodoreOriginal Crew7,034 postsSince 2018
TonySmjc

The will to control ppl is waining
Maybe not amongst the govt or the covid faithful
But at least amongst those out and about

walked into pbi maskless walked thru tsa screening maskless
Into store to get sipping water maskless
Not a peep from anyone

mad I’ve said from day one
This ends when we the ppl say it ends

not when that idiot fauchi says it ends

Captain1,857 postsSince 2020
TonySmjc

On board face covering is preped and ready
Just in case I’ve got the nazi flight crew from hell

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TonySmjc

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dsedy
dsedyFREE2021#6587

The goal of the vax was never immunity!

The goal of the vax was to lessen the symptoms rendering the virus as a harmless inconvenience.

After 300+million test subjects and FDA approval it would be safe to say the vaccines are working as advertised.

If you care about kids under 12, get vaccinated. Mark my words, they will be the next group to suffer most!

Speak for yourself. That is immoral and pretty much crimes against these kids. Bad enough they have to suffer in school with face diapers..now people like you and fauci and these other asshats are trying to force these vaxs THAT HAVE NO LONG TERM STUDIES FOR EFFICACY on kids.

Do you have kids under 12? Teenagers?

This is when shit gets real! I could care less what an adult does, but if you and your healthcare medical Stasi try to force this on my kid, there will be an uprising across this country the likes of which you have never seen.

CommodoreOriginal Crew5,100 postsSince 2019
TonySmjc

Damn sure was about immunity
70 percent vaccinations to reach
Heard immunity

the words ring in
My ears

now your selling some other bullcrap

spin your tales walking
No one buying the bullshit

and if I hear the highly contagious delta variant one more time I’ll snap
Nothing more than spin and bull crap

Mira still just another covid spike
And the numbers will drop shortly
While we await the next spike

Captain1,857 postsSince 2020
movetheboat


Even Gilligan wouldn't fall for the crap the GQP anti-vaxxer grifters and batshit crazy fools are shilling!

CommodoreOriginal Crew12,530 postsSince 2018
cany
canyCOMMUNITYnoreaster.com2021#6590


Even Gilligan wouldn't fall for the crap the GQP anti-vaxxer grifters and batshit crazy fools are shilling!

Yeah but Gilligan screwed up everything he touched LOL

General cany, Watching always Watching
CornField
AdmiralOriginal Crew41,107 postsSince 2018
jpd
jpdMODnoreaster.com2021#6591

Cut and paste:

*Delta variant.
Clearly much more contagious than prior variants, similar to chickenpox level. However it seems to be no less deadly then prior Covid variants. As the weather changes it will come north in higher numbers. Get protected and get vaccinated.

Vaccines.
All still incredibly protective against hospitalization and death. Protection against illness wanes with time but still provides good protection even after months. 90+% of Hospitalizations, ICU admits, deaths and patients on ventilators are unvaccinated. This is being seen in hundreds of hospitals with thousands of patients.

Vaccine side effects.
All the vaccines remain extremely safe. The vast majority of reactions are simple allergies that respond to Benadryl. There are a few rare cases on myocarditis (heart inflammation) in younger people getting the Moderna and Pfizer. The vast majority of those resolve within a day or 2 with Motrin. Among J&J recipients there are a handful of cases of blood clots with low platelets. Almost all of the cases were among adult women under the age of 50.
“I heard someone had xxxx after getting the vaccine. Isn’t that a side effect and why aren’t they reporting it.” We have never given a vaccine or any medication to hundreds of millions of people in a few months. Every regular health problem looks like it is related to the vaccine. That is why the CDC is monitoring for rare side effects that exceed the baseline rate in the US. Indeed we have successfully picked up a couple one in a million effects so you can rest easy that the system is working.

Long Term effects.
How about long term side effect? No vaccine has ever been shown to have a long term side effect that wasn’t picked up in the first few million doses. We have administered 364 million doses in the US. Worldwide Billions of doses have been administered. The first vaccine doses were administered in trials in March 2020. Full phase 3 trials started July 2020. So we are more than a year out and millions of doses in. Locally we have administered more than 100,000 doses of vaccine and have seen no side effect that could not be treated with Motrin or Benadryl.

Boosters.
A 3rd shot for Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna (and AstraZeneca) have been shown to boost antibody levels way up. Early data show the same for J & J. Clearly for high risk patients a booster is warranted. There is no data on mixing boosters from different vaccines but theoretically there should not be a significant difference.
Although Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna have a delta specific booster in the lab they have both stated that they do not need to change to that formula and the regular shot protects against delta well, especially with a booster. That may change in the future (or not)

Children.
Children still seem extremely unlikely to develop severe Covid19. Pediatric cases are definitely way up as cases rise but they are very likely to experience a mild case. As they remain the least vaccinated group they are most at risk for Covid while generally not winding up in hospitals or ICUs. Children get hospitalized 0.9% of the time and die in 0.01% of cases. Those numbers have not changed in months.
Vaccines for younger kids are coming. The data is submitted but the FDA seems to be focused on full approval and booster recommendations rather than assessing the pediatric data. A bit frustrating that they can’t do both at the same time.

Therapeutics.
Dexamethasone (a steroid) has been a game changer for severe hospitalized Covid patients and greatly reduced mortality in the most ill.
Remdisavir, an antiviral, has some effect too.
Oxygenation. Knowledge learned from experience with oxygenation and ventilation has also made a big difference.

Monoclonal antibodies from Regeneron and others have been shown to reduce the chance of hospitalization and death if given early (first few days) in the course of the disease. Do not wait. You should receive it if you are high risk (criteria recently expanded) even if you feel “fine.” If you are vaccinated and high risk yet get a breakthrough case I would still consider getting the antibody treatment. Talk to your doctor and remember if you are getting it time is important. Don’t “wait until I feel bad, or wait until Monday.”

Hydrochloroquine, Vitamins, Zinc etc. No benefits shown despite extensive research. Often we see things in the lab that don’t work in real life. For example people with low Vit D have been shown to have worse Covid outcomes. But every study testing vitamin D supplementation failed to show a Covid benefit. How can that be? Well is you consider that those with higher Vit D levels might be outdoors more and generally in better health they naturally would be less prone to severe Covid. So a healthy lifestyle both boosts vit D and protects against severe Covid. However other than the cost there is little downside to taking a multivitamin daily.

Pepcid (famotidine) small studies showing potential benefit but larger studies have not backed up the benefit. A large study from Northwell should be finished and data reported soon. Pepcid is a relatively benign drug that has been around a long time so low risk to take it. However I would have expected more positive studies if Pepcid was helpful vs Covid. So I have my doubts.

Fluvoxamine (Luvox), an SSRI similar to Prozac, Has been shown in preliminary studies to reduce the need for hospitalization. The mechanism is thought to be that Fluvoxamine blocks some of the runaway inflammation pathways that make covid severe. Confirmatory studies are forthcoming. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

Ivermectin. Small poorly done studies from 3rd world countries have show benefit vs Covid. Other studies do not show benefit. Although its been around a long time most physician have no experience dosing or watching for side effects. In addition this drug has potential severe side effects. I would not take or recommend Ivermectin for anyone except if enrolled in a well designed study.

Coming antivirals. A few companies are testing antiviral medications now. Hopefully they will be available soon and in pill form. Traditionally antiviral (as opposed to antibiotic) medications are not super powerful and often only work in the first few days of illness or as a prophylaxis.

Hope that answers some questions
Michael Ameres, MD*

A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns- Mario Puzo
CommodoreOriginal Crew9,876 postsSince 2018
Avenger
Avengernoreaster.com2021#6592

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Chrome warns this may be a phishing site. Well, Duh,... Stupid jerks can't even spell fishing right.
CaptainOriginal Crew3,431 postsSince 2019
OVERBORED

This is when shit gets real!

Its been real for a while now browneye! OOps......didnt mean to stoop to name calling......

I guess reading comprehension isnt your strong suit. If the population doesnt get vaccinated, the under 12 group will be vulnerable. Never said kids should be vaccinated. Im weary of giving this vaccination to the under 12 but there might not be a better way to protect them.

But wearing a mask IS something they can do! Poor, Poor kids.........Have to wear a mask.....Such a sacrifice.

Every see a dying 12 year old? Something I wouldnt wish upon my worst enemy. Even worse is the regret that sinks in after but we all must live with our choices.

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
OVERBORED

As for the morbidly OBESE smoker who suddenly realized that he was killing himself, welcome!

What did it take for you to loose weight? Heart attack, diabetes? Nagging doctor?

Seen quite a few with your demographic die last spring..........I guess it will take another smack in the face from nature to convince you the vax will help you but I doubt it. You have it ALL figured out!

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#6595

Guess the IQ of Oklahoma is suffering an extreme drop...

[HEADING=2]Horse dewormer selling out in Oklahoma as COVID treatment despite FDA warning[/HEADING]

Hear about the learning-challenged Oakies here: [Horse dewormer selling out as COVID treatment despite FDA warning]('https://www.news10.com/news/coronavirus/horse-dewormer-covid-treatment-selling-out-despite-fda-warning/')

Shall I go to heaven or a-fishing? - H. D. Thoreau
Veni. Vidi. Cepi. - with apologies to Gaius Julius Caesar
AdmiralOriginal Crew21,717 postsSince 2018
TonySmjc

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Captain1,857 postsSince 2020
Avenger
Avengernoreaster.com2021#6597

Guess the IQ of Oklahoma is suffering an extreme drop...

[HEADING=2]Horse dewormer selling out in Oklahoma as COVID treatment despite FDA warning[/HEADING]

Hear about the learning-challenged Oakies here: [Horse dewormer selling out as COVID treatment despite FDA warning]('https://www.news10.com/news/coronavirus/horse-dewormer-covid-treatment-selling-out-despite-fda-warning/')

It's Trump's fault.

Chrome warns this may be a phishing site. Well, Duh,... Stupid jerks can't even spell fishing right.
CaptainOriginal Crew3,431 postsSince 2019
dsedy
dsedyFREE2021#6598

Its been real for a while now browneye! OOps......didnt mean to stoop to name calling......

I guess reading comprehension isnt your strong suit. If the population doesnt get vaccinated, the under 12 group will be vulnerable. Never said kids should be vaccinated. Im weary of giving this vaccination to the under 12 but there might not be a better way to protect them.

But wearing a mask IS something they can do! Poor, Poor kids.........Have to wear a mask.....Such a sacrifice.

Every see a dying 12 year old? Something I wouldnt wish upon my worst enemy. Even worse is the regret that sinks in after but we all must live with our choices.

I understand just fine. First it's "we must get vaxxed to protect the kids" , then it will be the "Vax the kids, its for their protection". Fearmongering at its' finest from the new "banksters", the medical Stasi.

CommodoreOriginal Crew5,100 postsSince 2019
OVERBORED

I guess you missed the part where this is considered a FLUID situation. The medical community has had to adapt on the fly and is still doing so. In the spring 2020, it was rare to see anyone Covid cases under 40 in the ER. Now its commonplace.

Are we not supposed to be alarmed? Should we keep this information to ourselves?

There's no fear mongering. The numbers speak for themselves..............97% of all cases are in the unvaccinated.

Make your choice and live with it.

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
wader
waderFREE2021#6600

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"Well, it's alright.
.............even if you're old and gray."
"Well, it's alright.
............you still got something to say."
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