Coronavirus

Whatever, others who believe in the science will get trained and fill the vacancies. 700K less people for the health care professionals to care for.

They expressed their freedom of choice....correct! No one stopped them.

Hospitals, sports teams, private companies and colleges expressed their freedom of choice in enacting policy.

No one was fired against their will.

They expressed their freedom of choice....correct! No one stopped them.

Hospitals, sports teams, private companies and colleges expressed their freedom of choice in enacting policy.

No one was fired against their will.

True but their "will" was taken away

No. They expressed their will and no one stopped them from doing so.

Kyrie Irving expressed his will and the Nets expressed theirs.

And on and on and on.......

No. They expressed their will and no one stopped them from doing so.

Kyrie Irving expressed his will and the Nets expressed theirs.

And on and on and on.......

But they got fired for it so much for will when forced into a decision. Do as I say or loose your job

No. Its follow our rules or find someplace else to work.

Conditions of employment exist for a reason. There are guys who turned down contracts with the Yankees for the simple reason that they didnt want to shave their beard. Yankees still have a no facial hair policy.........

Ironically, many of the fired healthcare workers had the flu shot which is more dangerous and less effective than the Covid shot.

Is it about Freedom or politics?

No. Its follow our rules or find someplace else to work.

Conditions of employment exist for a reason. There are guys who turned down contracts with the Yankees for the simple reason that they didnt want to shave their beard. Yankees still have a no facial hair policy.........

Ironically, many of the fired healthcare workers had the flu shot which is more dangerous and less effective than the Covid shot.

Is it about Freedom or politics?

Totally different the no beard policy was in affect before they wanted the job they knew the risk. Being forced to go against your will to keep a job you have had for 10/20 yrs because of a new policy is just wrong IMHO and lots of others guess thats why the medical profession is taking a big hit over this. The FLU shot has been around for a long time and wasnt rushed just saying

Valid points.

The FLU shot has been around for a long time and wasnt rushed just saying

Uh Glenn, Flu shot is reformulated every year in April and ready for vaccinations in August. Just saying...

Ironically, many of the fired healthcare workers had the flu shot which is more dangerous and less effective than the Covid shot.

Uh Glenn, Flu shot is reformulated every year in April and ready for vaccinations in August. Just saying...

Jeesh if its more dangerous and less effective than the Covid shot and reformulated every year that doesent sound good

Jeesh if its more dangerous and less effective than the Covid shot and reformulated every year that doesent sound good

Not more dangerous, neither one is dangerous. Less effective, yes, because there are multiple flu strains, but none of them have a distinct, common antibody target like COVID's spike protein. As I've said multiple times, we're extremely fortunate for that spike protein. If it didn't exist we'd probably still be fishing for an effective vaccine.

The annual flu vaccine is a yearly "game day decision". At the end of the flu season epidemiologists get together and try to figure out what are the likely strains for the next year. Sometimes they call it real well and we get a very effective vaccine, and sometimes they miss.

Jeesh if its more dangerous and less effective than the Covid shot and reformulated every year that doesent sound good

Flu mutates each year - similar to movie's variants.

Not more dangerous, neither one is dangerous. Less effective, yes, because there are multiple flu strains, but none of them have a distinct, common antibody target like COVID's spike protein. As I've said multiple times, we're extremely fortunate for that spike protein. If it didn't exist we'd probably still be fishing for an effective vaccine.

The annual flu vaccine is a yearly "game day decision". At the end of the flu season epidemiologists get together and try to figure out what are the likely strains for the next year. Sometimes they call it real well and we get a very effective vaccine, and sometimes they miss.

overboard said its more dangerous and he knows stuff just saying

Flu mutates each year - similar to movie's variants.

Pay attention to what Im quoting

More dangerous in the sense that it's effectiveness is slightly better than 50/50 leaving the vulnerable more open to infection than the Covid vax.

More dangerous in the sense that it's effectiveness is slightly better than 50/50 leaving the vulnerable more open to infection than the Covid vax.

Grabbing at straws now?

Just clarifying my thought process.

All I know is three shots in and more people have died this year with the shots then last. Don’t give a shit about variants Suckers is an understatement. MTB did arrogantly quote Trump as saying “Suckers Pay Taxes”. I think he heard wrong and it was “Suckers Take Vaxes”. ?

All I know is three shots in and more people have died this year with the shots then last. Don’t give a shit about variants Suckers is an understatement. MTB did arrogantly quote Trump as saying “Suckers Pay Taxes”. I think he heard wrong and it was “Suckers Take Vaxes”. ?

In the last few weeks thru the circle of friends at work I have heard of more people dying who got the shots than actual people getting Covid from day one

Looks like Dawin has cooked up a Black Friday Special!!

[SIZE=6]Travel restrictions multiply for African countries over fears of a new variant.[/SIZE]

An increasing number of countries — including Britain, France, Israel, Italy and Singapore — were moving on Friday to restrict travel from South Africa and other countries in the region, a day after South African authorities identified a concerning new coronavirus variant with mutations that one scientist said marked a “big jump in evolution.”

In the past, governments have taken days, weeks or months to issue travel restrictions in response to new variants. This time, restrictions came within hours of South Africa’s announcement — and hours before health officials from the country were scheduled to discuss the variant with the World Health Organization.

Britain, France and Israel announced bans on flights from South Africa and several neighboring countries on Thursday, citing the threat of the new variant. Britain’s flight ban applies to six countries — South Africa, Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Namibia and Zimbabwe — and begins at noon local time on Friday.

“More data is needed but we’re taking precautions now,” Sajid Javid, the British health secretary, [said on Twitter]('https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1463973520497684480').

“While no cases have been detected so far on French territory, the principle of maximum precaution must apply,” Jean Castex, France’s prime minister, said in a statement, adding that anyone in France who had recently traveled to those countries should get tested and identify themselves to the authorities.

The governments of Croatia, Italy, [Malta]('https://twitter.com/chrisfearne/status/1464152422264320001'), [the Netherlands]('https://twitter.com/hugodejonge/status/1464162760225443842'), Japan and [Singapore]('https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-moh-singapore-restrict-entry-7-african-countries-2339956') announced on Friday that they would impose similar restrictions. [Markets were down]('https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2021/11/bef1714a8885-nikkei-plunges-2-in-morning-on-new-covid-19-variant-concerns.html') in Japan in response to the variant’s discovery, and officials in Australia and in [New Zealand]('https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-pm-ardern-says-prepared-new-covid-19-variants-2021-11-26/?taid=61a07590838dea0001e16d3d&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter') said that they were monitoring it closely.

“Our scientists are at work to study the new B.1.1.529 variant,” Italy’s health minister, Roberto Speranza, said in a statement, using the variant’s scientific name. “Meanwhile we err on the side of caution.”

Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, also said in a Twitter post on Friday morning that it would propose restricting air travel to European countries from southern Africa because of concerns about the variant.

In the past two days, scientists detected the variant after observing an increase in infections in South Africa’s economic hub surrounding Johannesburg. So far only a few dozen cases have been identified in South Africa, Hong Kong, Israel and Botswana.

A number of variants have emerged since the onset of the pandemic. One underlying concern about them is whether they will stymie the fight against the virus or limit the effectiveness of vaccines. South African scientists will meet with the World Health Organization technical team on Friday to discuss the new variant, and the authorities will assign it a letter of the Greek alphabet.

In a [statement]('http://www.dirco.gov.za/docs/2021/uk1126.htm') posted on Friday on a government website, South Africa said it would urge Britain to reconsider its travel restrictions, saying: “The U.K.’s decision to temporarily ban South Africans from entering the U.K. seems to have been rushed, as even the World Health Organization is yet to advise on the next steps.”

In December last year, South Africa was the first nation to report the appearance of the Beta variant, which has now spread to nearly 70 countries. Scientists have been concerned that some clinical trials have shown that vaccines offer less protection against the Beta variant. Since then, the [more virulent and aggressive Delta variant]('https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/health/delta-variant-covid.html') has spread all over the world and is believed to be fueling the latest surge in cases.

With over 1,200 new infections, South Africa’s daily infection rate is much lower than that in Germany, where new cases are driving a wave. However, the density of mutations on this new variant raises fears that it could be highly contagious, leading scientists to sound the alarm early.

“This variant did surprise us — it has a big jump in evolution, many more mutations than we expected, especially after a very severe third wave of Delta,” said Tulio de Oliveira, director of the KwaZulu-Natal Research and Innovation Sequencing Platform.