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Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#8141

Imagine that, a country who's politicians didn't turn COVID into a political debate...

[HEADING=2]Will High Vaccination Rates Help Spain Weather New Variant?[/HEADING]
Spain surpassed others in Europe by avoiding politicized debate about Covid shots. Citizens also largely heeded the health guidance from their leaders.

MADRID — A month ago, Spain was riding high on its successes against Covid-19. The country’s caseload was among the lowest in Europe, and nearly 80 percent of the country had been vaccinated, leaving few eligible people to give a shot to.

Then came the Omicron variant, and success gave way to uncertainty.

Three cases of the variant have been detected so far in Spain, as the number of Covid-19 infections steadily rose all November. The appearance of the variant has now prompted local governments to swiftly roll out new measures they had been considering. Catalonia is introducing a Covid-19 “passport,” the first in Spain. The Basque region is preparing emergency measures with restrictions on bars and restaurants that look like a return to the past.

The new steps show how fragile the gains against the virus can be. But the country’s broad acceptance of vaccination may prove to be critical.

If the current vaccines offer good protection against the variant, then Spain could be largely shielded against a potential new wave. If fighting Omicron requires reformulating the vaccines, then Spaniards seem ready and willing to take another shot if their leaders recommend it.

“As far as vaccines go, in Spain there’s just a wide consensus among citizens — they follow the recommendations of the scientists,” said Salvador Illa, Spain’s former health minister who oversaw the country’s response during the pandemic’s first year.

Experts attribute Spain’s vaccine success, in part, to its widely trusted public health system, which spearheaded the effort. Politicians also played a big role, taking their doses with fanfare early on and avoiding politicized debate about the vaccine. Spaniards, for the most part, followed the health guidance of their leaders when it came to vaccines, masks and other precautions.

Delays in the European Union’s vaccine rollout initially left Spain well behind the United States and Britain. But as supply issues were resolved, the country rapidly caught up. Now, almost 90 percent of those eligible for the shot — anyone over 12 years old — have gotten it, with few Spaniards left to vaccinate.

Walk the streets of Spain and one encounters a different Europe from the norm on much of the continent. Masks are not only worn indoors, but are worn outdoors by residents in many cities where the government has not required them for months.

And while fights over the pandemic response have been common in Spain’s charged political landscape, almost none have concerned whether citizens should be vaccinated.

Among the chief reasons for that consensus on vaccines, many said, was that Spain was hit hard by the pandemic early on. About 15,500 people perished from Covid-19 in April 2020 alone, putting Spain’s first wave in line with those in Italy and in New York City. Spaniards, like residents of those places, were inundated with headlines of hospitals overwhelmed by intubated patients and makeshift morgues that received the bodies.

Rafael Vilasanjuan, the policy director at ISGlobal, a Barcelona public health think tank, said the experience left a deep collective will for vaccination.

“In the first wave, we were completely unprotected,” he said. “There was nothing. This was a big deal in Spain.”

Countries like Germany and Austria, where vaccine resistance has now become [entrenched in some corners]('https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/world/europe/covid-vaccine-germany-europe.html'), also faced deadly waves of infections. But they came later in the pandemic. In Germany, 69 percent of its 83 million people are [fully vaccinated]('https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab'), while in Austria, a country of about nine million, 67 percent are fully vaccinated.

Mr. Vilasanjuan said Spain’s demographics also worked favorably toward vaccine acceptance. The country not only has many at-risk older adults — nearly 20 percent of the population — but Spanish youth live with their parents until they are 30, on average.

This led to many multigenerational households where young adults got vaccinations to protect older relatives.

“There’s been an intergenerational respect that has meant more people vaccinated,” Mr. Vilasanjuan said.

Another factor that may have set Spain apart from other countries was that its politicians largely avoided turning the scientific consensus on vaccines into an arena of debate.

Spain is a politically polarized nation. Nationalist showdowns and the emergence of a far-right political faction have riven the country in recent years, which could have created fertile ground for the mix of politics and vaccine resistance that was seen in the United States.

Yet while some fringe figures in Spain [spoke out against vaccines]('https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/world/europe/spain-covid-vaccine-nun.html'), politicians rarely followed. The biggest debates largely centered around the Spanish economy and whether pandemic [lockdowns had gone too far]('https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/05/world/europe/spain-election-madrid-isabel-diaz-ayuso.html').

“Public officials just never put any of this into doubt, and this has been key not just in vaccines, but getting people to keep their masks on,” said Dr. José M. Martín-Moreno, a professor of preventive medicine and public health in Valencia who also worked with the World Health Organization.

The general store run by Rebeca Torres and her family in the remote mountain village of Navarredonda de Gredos offers a window into Spanish attitudes in fighting Covid-19.

As customers strolled inside on a recent snowy day, they didn’t need to put on masks before entering: They already had them on. Alongside rows of local breads and bottles of red wine were public health advertisements inviting people to get their third dose.

Ms. Torres said almost no one in town had even heard of anti-vaccine campaigners or their claims. She explained that she takes immunosuppressant drugs for multiple sclerosis and had spent years trusting science. She saw no need to stop now.

Maria Luisa Hernández, the pharmacist in the nearby village of Hoyos del Espino, said she believed that Spain’s first wave of infections jolted the population into readily accepting vaccines when they were available.

She estimated that about 60 percent of the area’s population was elderly. During the first weeks of the pandemic, lockdowns closed public health clinics, and people were able to reach their doctors only by phone. Many older residents were unable to navigate the complex system of online prescriptions.

Ms. Hernández, whose pharmacy remained open during the lockdown, ended up becoming the only health professional seeing the sick in person. She and everyone she knows is vaccinated. No one wanted to return to the situation in 2020, she said.

Still, Spain remains on guard, both because of the Omicron variant and the new wave of Covid-19 cases that began before the variant’s discovery. New infections have more than tripled in recent weeks, to about 190 cases per 100,000 people in the last 14-day period.

The numbers, however, are far lower than in other European countries, like Germany, the Czech Republic and the Netherlands, which are now among the worst hit for infections.

Francisca Hernández sees this as no reason to let down her guard.

The 77-year-old, who is not related to the pharmacist, lives in a multigenerational household. Her daughter moved in with her after losing her job. Her son, a cattle rancher, is constantly meeting up with other men as they move their livestock to pastures, then coming to see her.

She said she got her third shot last week. Everyone in her family will soon have theirs once her youngest grandchildren qualify.

“In my circle, there is no one who isn’t vaccinated,” she said. “We know this is the only solution.”

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[HEADING=2]NY COVID Cases Top 11K for 1st Time Since January as 2nd US Omicron Case Is Linked to Manhattan[/HEADING]
[HEADING=2]It comes the same day New York reported more than 11,000 new COVID cases, the highest single-day total since late January, and new months-long highs in both hospitalizations and virus deaths[/HEADING]
[HEADING=3]By [Jennifer Millman]('https://www.nbcnewyork.com/?s=Author%3A%20%22Jennifer%20Millman%22') • Published 33 mins ago • Updated 28 mins ago[/HEADING]

we don't need thisNY COVID Cases Top 11K for 1st Time Since January as 2nd US Omicron Case Is Linked to Manhattan

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OVERBORED

Germany announced a Nationwide lockdown for the unvaccinated.

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
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pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#8144

at least he wasn't a hypocrite. Dead, but not a hypocrite. That's something.

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dsedy
dsedyFREE2021#8145

Germany announced a Nationwide lockdown for the unvaccinated.

Thats awesome!!! Hopefully they throw the unvaxxed in prison.

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pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#8146

House arrest

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TonySmjc

Can’t follow the logic
If the vaxed and unvaxed both can both get and spread it

exactly why should we treat them differently
They only ppl they are hurting if they are hurting anyone is themselves

Hm highest rates since January and 70 percent of ny is vaxed if that doesn’t tell you something nothing will

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dsedy
dsedyFREE2021#8148

House arrest

They should go to prison

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#8149

Interesting and insightful editorial today on Vaccine Hesitancy and worldwide changes in perception of social responsibility Very political so I won't post it, but a link is posted below.

The closing paragraph just about says it all:

If the world is going to beat the pandemic, countries need policies that promote a basic, but increasingly forgotten, idea: that our individual flourishing is bound up in collective well-being.

[Opinion | Behind Low Vaccination Rates Lurks a More Profound Social Weakness]("https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/opinion/vaccine-hesitancy-covid.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqohlSlUbACbSRdkhrxqAwubGy7c9gHK7LCWOSCpLye8ERoOH5UbBI6p_Yt95lxKqeOh8Cp59Dvpj0r0YeEV3VwijppbDyMoLLnU-9N72AjNtgNeQBulmtG62ZTT8drwkzbC2tE7abGnuS7WfhSN6XHttqJFmdlGt3H0alOySQqMuhI4Ijbp2DYt6RDwDeCGKo_Dubh1-M9yNZRnegRIkD6AbAXqA2I7BtM9TNVlaGlnET3tg4W0j6NI6ONgfPab3LxZIa9Mc8pXbBEtcLP7gJsuZA_ar&smid=url-share")

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[HEADING=2]Italian man tries to dodge Covid jab using fake arm[/HEADING]
Published19 hours ago
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A man receiving Covid jab in Italy (file photo)
An Italian man who wanted a Covid vaccination certificate without getting the jab turned up for his vaccine with a fake arm, officials say.
The man, in his 50s, arrived for his shot with a silicone mould covering his real arm, hoping it would go unnoticed.
But a nurse was not fooled and the man has now been reported to the police.
The nurse told local media that when she had rolled up his sleeve, she found the skin "rubbery and cold" and the pigment "too light".
After being discovered, the man tried to persuade the nurse to turn a blind eye, [la Repubblica reported]('https://torino.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/12/02/news/no_vax_con_un_braccio_in_silicone_va_a_fare_il_vaccino_per_avere_lo_stesso_il_green_pass_denunciato-328713577/?ref=RHTP-BH-I322793271-P2-S5-T1'). But instead she reported him to the police for fraud.
Local police are now investigating the incident in Biella, north-west Italy, and local officials have criticised the man's actions.

Italian man tries to dodge Covid jab using fake arm

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#8151

[HEADING=2]Italian man tries to dodge Covid jab using fake arm[/HEADING]
Published19 hours ago
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[*][Coronavirus pandemic]('https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cyz0z8w0ydwt')
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Image caption,
A man receiving Covid jab in Italy (file photo)
An Italian man who wanted a Covid vaccination certificate without getting the jab turned up for his vaccine with a fake arm, officials say.
The man, in his 50s, arrived for his shot with a silicone mould covering his real arm, hoping it would go unnoticed.
But a nurse was not fooled and the man has now been reported to the police.
The nurse told local media that when she had rolled up his sleeve, she found the skin "rubbery and cold" and the pigment "too light".
After being discovered, the man tried to persuade the nurse to turn a blind eye, [la Repubblica reported]('https://torino.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/12/02/news/no_vax_con_un_braccio_in_silicone_va_a_fare_il_vaccino_per_avere_lo_stesso_il_green_pass_denunciato-328713577/?ref=RHTP-BH-I322793271-P2-S5-T1'). But instead she reported him to the police for fraud.
Local police are now investigating the incident in Biella, north-west Italy, and local officials have criticised the man's actions.

[Italian man tries to dodge Covid jab using fake arm]('https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59524527')

Whattsa matta for you? Attsa my arm!! Have to give him a few creativity points, but zero for execution!!

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pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#8152

Interesting and insightful editorial today on Vaccine Hesitancy and worldwide changes in perception of social responsibility Very political so I won't post it, but a link is posted below.

The closing paragraph just about says it all:

If the world is going to beat the pandemic, countries need policies that promote a basic, but increasingly forgotten, idea: that our individual flourishing is bound up in collective well-being.

[Opinion | Behind Low Vaccination Rates Lurks a More Profound Social Weakness]('https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/opinion/vaccine-hesitancy-covid.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqohlSlUbACbSRdkhrxqAwubGy7c9gHK7LCWOSCpLye8ERoOH5UbBI6p_Yt95lxKqeOh8Cp59Dvpj0r0YeEV3VwijppbDyMoLLnU-9N72AjNtgNeQBulmtG62ZTT8drwkzbC2tE7abGnuS7WfhSN6XHttqJFmdlGt3H0alOySQqMuhI4Ijbp2DYt6RDwDeCGKo_Dubh1-M9yNZRnegRIkD6AbAXqA2I7BtM9TNVlaGlnET3tg4W0j6NI6ONgfPab3LxZIa9Mc8pXbBEtcLP7gJsuZA_ar&smid=url-share')

Wow

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Rick67
Rick67FREE2021#8153

In Germany, You Must Be Fully Vaxxed before Your Death by Assisted Suicide | National Review

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#8154

[In Germany, You Must Be Fully Vaxxed before Your Death by Assisted Suicide | National Review]('https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/in-germany-you-must-be-fully-vaxxed-before-your-death-by-assisted-suicide/')

Nothing wrong in protecting health care workers, is there???

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Rick67
Rick67FREE2021#8155

Nothing wrong in protecting health care workers, is there???

They’re already vaccinated aren’t they?

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.com2021#8156

They’re already vaccinated aren’t they?

Probably, but still have to close the pool of unvaccinated, even if as in the case, they're pulling themselves from the available pool. Until after their demise, they're still subject to all the appropriate rules.

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Rick67
Rick67FREE2021#8157

Probably, but still have to close the pool of unvaccinated, even if as in the case, they're pulling themselves from the available pool. Until after their demise, they're still subject to all the appropriate rules.

So in other words what you want to say is “The Vaccine Doesn’t Work”. ? In layman's terms, Cant rid something if the vaccine does not stop you from getting or transmitting it. Anyway I believe the world has ran out of those that haven’t had it already. It’s a ego issue for those that never did follow the science that say they are the science. But let’s keep adding more of those shots to the list until we finally get one that kills them (The People) all and then stand back and say “Oops The Gun Did It, Wasn’t Me”. Sort of like the Gain Of Function King who swore on oath before congress that he did not fund Gain Of Function Research in the Wuhan Lab where magically and coincidentally this all started and BINGO he lied. However it’s cool to geeks to study a virus after making it what a thousand times more contagious? It’s for the greater good. We need to save the Horseshoe Bats of Wuhan. Then it gets out and it’s “Wasn’t Me, But I Know What To Do Because I’m The Science”. Boneheads can’t even catch a 50” bass. What do you expect?

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pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#8158

What a wonderful vaccine!

❓

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pequa1MODnoreaster.com2021#8159

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dsedyFREE2021#8160

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