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Roccus7
Perfect, since all of the COVID vaccines ARE VACCINES, and if you want to harp on the without making you sick, part then there isn't a SINGLE VACCINE in the world that doesn't have some side effects.

AAMOF, there's an iteration of the Polio vaccine still used in Third World, that in rare cases can actually cause a local polio outbreak in a location of poor sanitation.

If you'd to learn about the immunology & molecular biology of the COVID vaccines, please PM me.

Clinging to 40 year old definitions of medical procedures and preparations are akin to being a Flat Earther...

Clinging? I thought the WHO is science?

A ('https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine') is a biological preparation that helps the body build active immunity against a specific infectious disease. It safely trains the immune system to recognize and fight harmful germs like viruses or bacteria without causing actual illness. [[1]('https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/glossary/index.html'), [2]('https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine'), [3]('https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination')]

That is from the Center for Disease Control. Science?

No pun, but who do we believe or get information from?

AdmiralOriginal Crew20,417 postsSince 2019
Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.comAug 5#10482
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Clinging? I thought the WHO is science?

A ('https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine') is a biological preparation that helps the body build active immunity against a specific infectious disease. It safely trains the immune system to recognize and fight harmful germs like viruses or bacteria without causing actual illness. [[1]('https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/glossary/index.html'), [2]('https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine'), [3]('https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination')]

That is from the Center for Disease Control. Science?

No pun, but who do we believe or get information from?

Like I said, if "illness" is considered a side effect, there is no such thing as a vaccine by that definition, since they all have side effects. Infrequent cases of Guillain Barre syndrome is a prime example of a side effect of vaccinations.

If you're talking about not causing the illness the vaccine is designed to prevent, well the COVID mRNA vaccines are clear from that since they contain no viral proteins nor intact nucleotides capable of replication in them. There's NFW that they cause COVID.

As I mentioned before, the old oral Polio Vaccine, which is still used in the 3rd World, has attenuated live virus in it, and can cause local outbreaks when a bunch of infrequent events occur. George Washington had the Continental Army infected with a small dose of smallpox virus as a vaccine. Yeah, some got bad cases, but most got minor cases that triggered their immune system to make enough antibodies for protection from a major, fatal case.

One point that the conventional wisdom of the antivaxxer crowd loves to harp on is the thought that vaccines are like armor, they prevent you from getting infected. Great thought, but that's not how the immune system works. Your immunological system can only fight a disease when there's an infection in progress. Scotty can't turn on the shields...

So the question to you remains, you want to actually learn some basics of vaccine science or do you want to parrot people whose immunology education is equivalent to the astronomical knowledge of Flat Earthers?? There are a few people here who can help you with that, but I doubt that knowledge or practice of it funded their retirement...

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.comAug 5#10483

Oh, somebody crossed into politics…

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AdmiralOriginal Crew21,717 postsSince 2018
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A vaccine is a safe medical preparation that trains your body's immune system to fight off specific harmful germs, like viruses or bacteria, without making you sick. [[1]('https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination'), [2]('https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine')]

So where in your vaccine definition does cancer fall?

Clinical trials have show remarkable results treatment cancer specifically pancreatic and lung cancers.

Here's a virus we're all too familiar with
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/05/health/moderna-mrna-flu-vaccine?cid=android_app

"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
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hawk375
hawk375FREEAug 6#10485

I have just one question why did they have to force vaccine on young if they didn't die from virus before or after vaccine did they want to make the numbers look better for vaccine on old people so they could say it stops you from dying it seemed they started with old people and moved the age lower very quickly

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MakoMatt
MakoMattMODnoreaster.comAug 6#10486
hawk375
I have just one question why did they have to force vaccine on young if they didn't die from virus before or after vaccine did they want to make the numbers look better for vaccine on old people so they could say it stops you from dying it seemed they started with old people and moved the age lower very quickly

Herd Immunity

I think this AI explanation of Herd Immunity will answer your question.

Herd immunity happens when most people in a community become immune to a contagious disease. This stops the disease from spreading easily from person to person. It creates an invisible shield that also protects the small number of people who cannot get medical protection. [[1]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESXAHuR6pNmBWy0aw8banXpTRlZB2vh3GlqXLfdgFXy0PslLqpdImt719uQXzlT6UEhLh4sU4b-I5A-cKL7dwDleHsQt0cx-jK7-NUF0cdjAqPUlgdrXEZkfOSRuEe'), [2]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESUgHuR6pN_vvfpK--abVrUL-8WO8LOb38HqtO_uYOfUsGdRXwdw-Rt3NT36K52WYWO-GtnTSByP55RG6vviAc_MVtWYqkgCIeFN8WxctWL4uhSnM='), [3]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESVgHuR6pNyA-QRSIax8AS6s1s6czcOa5Xa3PhWlQkNgFg9nXPcrwAOy-yj_k0mNRixlh0uNAs3Qi2hKAFcSC9gLiHuwMQil7oz7ZeK5piQKSCY-YV8pu7')]

How Herd Immunity Works

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- Immunity source: People gain protection either by recovering from a past infection or by getting a vaccine.

- Breaking the chain: When most people are immune, the germ struggles to find a new host and stops moving through the group.

- Indirect protection: Babies, sick individuals, and people with weak immune systems stay safe because the disease cannot reach them. [[1]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESgAEB7keqTdy2TCA5ZRH3GwXcs135BZUvQ4-zDqMBbfXn9ymTUAHHOE9TnHlYEK8RmF69M_VFxR8KaT2irpanaHv_0GxlY18sitk0O2tobcAmUEbzjPpv6uLfptlxm7kbyK7E10cTiiPifE4MLKZmfB7si8d5QouDCgq53aE_fo6T7g=='), [2]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESTQHuR6pN4nn--jMBnC7KF63kNWP8870AsqFqlBbBorD76sMv0hkWIHpuSxMUe3dEtJGxDYnKMCzEb572EP05G18KQWRjdU1JHquHsb4z'), [3]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESUgHuR6pNgUK2lamDay863ra4CRGUaMfl94vrNGW2Kq4AsF2hKABxtTpPS9Ic5Rs6JsBuZZ1cqDZT4ZveO_2UYx6v1eewpO7ZzQFvg2F1wPhmFVI='), [4]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESZQHuR6pNuA1Lk2VXLzUrLkg00kjvT2z93UWCyAaonqRamhjP-E-0FKQbH3lzNoYOqkWRViyGkvuGKvVQi0Ls_UhIvflOZTEvjFt3SgHTWatKiYby06eXqiBycGr0VkuHrOoczRum'), [5]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESUgHuR6pNJcNyikIrqvHuuj9wT2AuckgOVJWvQhQJGx6T_UCl1cWhts60KIn8kAyMAQxTAJ1uWFrpTPVOjxW7G0q3BRX6KK_rIEj2E-WLQKganp4=')]

The Threshold Levels

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- Contagion rate: Different diseases need different amounts of immune people to stop an outbreak.

- Measles: This virus spreads very fast, requiring about 95% of the population to have immunity.

- Polio: This infection requires roughly 80% immunity to stop the spread. [[1]('https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESUgHuR6pN_vvfpK--abVrUL-8WO8LOb38HqtO_uYOfUsGdRXwdw-Rt3NT36K52WYWO-GtnTSByP55RG6vviAc_MVtWYqkgCIeFN8WxctWL4uhSnM=')]

Why It Fails or Changes

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- Waning protection: Some illnesses mutate quickly or do not leave lasting immunity, meaning the body forgets the germ over time.

- Low vaccination rates: If too many people skip vaccines, the community shield drops and outbreaks return.

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.comAug 6#10487

What refreshing news, and this action refutes and diminishes a lot of the BS in all the above posts by folks who would see us consult Witch Doctors for medical science breakthroughs...

## F.D.A. Approves Moderna’s mRNA Flu Vaccine
The agency had initially refused to even review the application but reversed course after a public outcry.
“Flu remains a significant public health challenge, and mFLUSIVA provides an important new option for America’s seniors,” Stéphane Bancel, Moderna’s chief executive, said in a statement. “This approval also reflects the ongoing potential of our mRNA platform to help address important public health challenges through continued scientific innovation.”

MRNA technology instructs the body to produce a fragment of a virus that then sets off the body’s immune response. It was the technology used in Covid vaccines that were given to hundreds of millions of people around the world. Two scientists were awarded [a Nobel Prize]('https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2023/summary/') in 2023 for their work on mRNA technology.

As a vaccine activist in 2021, [Mr. Kennedy had petitioned]('https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/health/rfk-jr-covid-vaccines.html') the F.D.A. to pull mRNA Covid vaccines off the market six months after their initial rollout.

In the case of flu, scientists believe that mRNA technology offers an advance from traditional vaccine options that take several months to prepare using decades-old technology, some requiring the virus to develop in fertilized eggs. Moderna has said that the faster new approach will enable a shift away from the current process of focusing on one flu strain for an entire hemisphere each season and allow each nation to pick its best option.

“Having a flu vaccine that does not have to go through the archaic process of using chickens and eggs will benefit the public health enormously,” said Dr. Georges C. Benjamin, the chief executive of the American Public Health Association. “It will allow us to rapidly adjust to rapidly emerging new flu strains, a capacity we have not had before.”

The company enrolled nearly 41,000 people who were 50 to 64 years old in a major study that found that the vaccine was effective but had more side effects than a vaccine manufactured with older technology. [In the study]('https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2516491'), about 21,000 people took the Moderna vaccine and about the same number took the comparator vaccine. Within six months, 411 of the Moderna recipients got the flu compared with 557 of those who took the other flu shot. That translated to a relative efficacy of about 27 percent.

But those taking the Moderna shot reported more side effects: Nearly two-thirds reported injection-site pain, 45 percent reported fatigue and 38 percent reported a headache — rates about two times greater than those of the comparator. Serious events that researchers deemed related to the Moderna vaccine included a case of fainting, a case of low blood pressure that led to a three-day hospitalization and a case of perimyocarditis, or inflammation of the lining of the heart and the heart muscle.

The F.D.A.’s [initial refusal]('https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/10/health/fda-moderna-mrna-flu-vaccine.html') to review the Moderna vaccine was a highly unusual move toward an established company that conducted a large and generally positive clinical trial. It came from the desk of Dr. Vinay Prasad, who at the time was the head of the agency’s vaccine division. Dr. Prasad had gained prominence as a sharp-eyed academic critic of pharmaceutical companies and the F.D.A. He later became [a vocal supporter of Mr. Kennedy]('https://x.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1857236147472081046?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1857236147472081046%7Ctwgr%5E6e4fd1fb8e42b50fd317f32c023a42288bb426ae%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Fworld-news%2Fvinay-prasad-fda-s-cber-new-vaccine-pick-claimed-god-wants-trump-is-old-post-101746560519514.html').

Dr. Prasad’s chief criticism of Moderna’s flu vaccine application was that it compared the company’s vaccine with one made by GSK that is not considered the best in class. Such a tactic, in Dr. Prasad’s view, was meant to skew the results in Moderna’s favor.

After a public outcry, Dr. Marty Makary, the F.D.A. commissioner at the time, [soon backtracked]('https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/11/health/fda-moderna-flu-vaccine.html'), calling the rebuff “part of a conversation” the agency has with drugmakers. The F.D.A. soon [began a review]('https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/18/health/fda-moderna-flu-vaccine-mrna.html') of the company’s application.

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Rick67
Rick67FREEAug 6#10488
Roccus7
Oh, somebody crossed into politics…

spin spin spin It’s what all you do “I am the science!” To “I plead the fifth” and needed a pardon as well. He asked you three genuine questions and you spun around all three. You don’t have to lie and say politics. I’m taking his comment down is how you do. Like this is the lounge but turning fast into the Villages you attend.

It’s safe (Vaccine) he said so that was a lie and answered one question for Longcast. Now it’s your turn for the other two.

I know you’re still sore about calling my bluff on how much I catch and were schooled with the tagging pics. DM me for tips.

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.comAug 6#10489
Rick67
spin spin spin It’s what all you do “I am the science!”

It’s safe (Vaccine) he said so that was a lie and answered one question for Longcast. Now it’s your turn for the other two.

Well how about I give you the same advice you love to give here, and I quote:

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!!!

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Leprechaun
LeprechaunMODnoreaster.comAug 6#10490

Boy am I glad I never give this board even a glance.

I value my peace and sanity.

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Rick67
Rick67FREEAug 6#10491

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Rick67
Rick67FREEAug 6#10493
MakoMatt
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More spin.

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MakoMatt
MakoMattMODnoreaster.comAug 6#10494

Some of you may remember that back in the day they taught Civics in school. This class taught us about what it means to be a good citizen. One of the most important things we learned concerned vaccines, and how important it is to get them. Important not only to protect yourself, but others who may be more vulnerable. aka…… Herd Immunity. It is one of the basic foundations of Public Health.

Roll the clock forward 50 - 60 years, and a large portion of our population are entitled snowflake's………

“Oh I don’t have to get any vaccinations, it’s my body, and I don’t want one, so I don’t have to get one if I don’t want to.” it’s all about me, me, me.

If it wasn’t so serious it would be funny. Just take a look at the statistics of the measles comeback. And maybe 00000.1% of the anti-vax crowd have any medical training at all, yet they don’t believe in vaccines. I think a good portion of them ate their crayons in school and laundry soap pods for entertainment.

CaptainOriginal Crew2,130 postsSince 2018
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MakoMatt
Some of you may remember that back in the day they taught Civics in school. This class taught us about what it means to be a good citizen. One of the most important things we learned concerned vaccines, and how important it is to get them. Important not only to protect yourself, but others who may be more vulnerable. aka…… Herd Immunity. It is one of the basic foundations of Public Health.

Roll the clock forward 50 - 60 years, and a large portion of our population are entitled snowflake's………

“Oh I don’t have to get any vaccinations, it’s my body, and I don’t want one, so I don’t have to get one if I don’t want to.” it’s all about me, me, me.

If it wasn’t so serious it would be funny. Just take a look at the statistics of the measles comeback. And maybe 00000.1% of the anti-vax crowd have any medical training at all, yet they don’t believe in vaccines. I think a good portion of them ate their crayons in school and laundry soap pods for entertainment.

Could have an interesting conversation regarding the majority of my doctors AND doctor acquaintances who themselves did not get the jab and also told me to STAY AWAY.

Continue spinning.............

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.comAug 6#10496

The @longcast Health Care Team...

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They're probably a vast improvement over Ted Nugent...

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Avenger
Avengernoreaster.comAug 6#10497
MakoMatt
Some of you may remember that back in the day they taught Civics in school. This class taught us about what it means to be a good citizen.

They also taught how our system of government and laws works. That's gone too. Kids don't even get to see Schoolhouse Rock anymore.

Chrome warns this may be a phishing site. Well, Duh,... Stupid jerks can't even spell fishing right.
CaptainOriginal Crew3,431 postsSince 2019
Rick67
Rick67FREEAug 6#10498
Roccus7
The @longcast Health Care Team...

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They're probably a vast improvement over Ted Nugent...

Sorry I thought you could relate with Ted being you both believe in passive cruelty to animals. You know what I mean, no moral worth.

Meanwhile like Fauci the veil of deception gets deeper. Why can’t you answer his simple questions instead of making fun of him? Making fun of him, that’s fucked up and more spin.

Must be tuff living in a state that its peeps endorse marrying their cousins. Rotflmfao, should have stuck with the porta-potty-whack-shack guy, but you’re making fun of Longcast like the blue green haired fat broads do on street corners of random passerby’s.

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Roccus7
Roccus7MODnoreaster.comAug 6#10499
Rick67
Meanwhile like Fauci the veil of deception gets deeper. Why can’t you answer his simple questions instead of making fun of him?

I answered his and yours “it’s not a vaccine” questions and neither one of you have offered a factual rebuttal of my answers. WHY????

Could it possibly be because you can’t?

Still eagerly awaiting for the molecular biological answer where you explain how a cell that’s been introduced to an mRNA sequence of a single membrane protein was able to expand that sequence into the virus’s full genome. There would be more explanations needed, but let’s start there.

Please answer that, but pleading the 5th is OK since you’ve heard 4x more than Fauci from someone you seem to revere…

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dsedy
dsedyFREEAug 6#10500

Why O Why is this resurrected? WTF ya' all assholes.....??

Someone delete this garbage of a thread. @cany

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