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MakoMatt
MakoMattMODnoreaster.com2023#281
There is a lot of misinformation circulating around the internet concerning the cause of death to marine mammals, and the windmill projects.
Following are some common misconceptions that are being spread.

    • Misconception 1: The SONAR used for the survey work could injure whales.
Gotham Whale bases all opinions on science. To date, there have been no published scientific studies that show that baleen whales become injured by the sonar equipment used by survey vessels. Survey work is conducted off NY and NJ constantly for many different industries (not just offshore wind). We have never seen the unprecedented increase in strandings as we have this winter. It is known that some types of sonar will cause minor changes in behavior such as stopping feeding and traveling out of the area. Therefore, the permitting process for any survey work requires independent observers onboard, and survey companies MUST shut down the sonar when there are whales around. This is required in their permitting, and if they don’t do this, they are subject to significant fines for violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act. One would expect that these companies would want to strictly follow the rules, since they are now currently in the public eye, in light of the recent increase in strandings.

    • Misconception 2: The SONAR could interfere with the whale’s echolocation, disrupt the navigation abilities of the whales and make them prone to ship strike.
The majority of whales recently washed ashore are baleen whales that DO NOT USE echolocation for navigation or communication. It is only toothed whales that have this capacity. Again, similar to above, there have been no published scientific studies that show that the type of sonar being used by survey vessels around the world could affect baleen whales’ navigation ability.

Gotham Whale has contacted OSW representatives directly and asked for assurance that their operations are not harmful to the whales. Asked, “How can we be sure you are conducting these activities safely for the whales?” The answer was, “Because it is the LAW.”

Remember, the permitting process is a rigorous proposal that the developers must outline their methods and practices for review by stakeholders. There is public review and comment periods to ensure concerns are met. If they violate the conditions of the permit, they are subject to fines and penalties under the Law. Gotham Whale accepts that the operators are complying with their permits, unless we are given evidence otherwise.

  • Misconception 3: Whales would be able to avoid vessels if they were not disoriented by SONAR. Dolphins play in bow wake and are therefore safe from vessel collision.
Research indicates that speed is a major factor in the likelihood and severity of ship strike. While size is a factor, even small vessels and jet skis can cause injury or mortality for wildlife. Additionally, approaching ships may be difficult for a whale to detect because the sound of a large vessel’s engine can be blocked by the hull. This is called the “bow null effect”.

Dolphins are often observed surfing in the wake from a vessel’s bow. This does not mean they are never hit by vessels. NOAA’s viewing marine life guidelines specifically warn against intentionally trying to to initiate bow riding. If marine mammals do initiate, it’s important to avoid sudden changes in speed or direction

  • Misconception 4: Offshore wind companies are currently allowed to “take” and therefore kill marine mammals.
A “take” does not have to mean kill. NOAA also defines any type of behavioral change as a “take.” This means that if a whale is in the area and it decides to stop feeding and come over to check out your boat, that would be considered as a “take.” Therefore, conducting ANY type of construction or research activity that could cause whales to change their behavior requires a “take” authorization. There is a type of “take” authorization that does include potential serious injury or mortality to whales, but to date these have NOT been issued to any company for offshore wind surveys. This means that if their activities do cause any serious injury or mortality, they are subject to fines and other consequences. The type of “take” MUST be specified in the permit application. The active permit applications for current surveys are publicly available and clearly state that the authorizations requested are non-lethal. Additionally, in these permit applications, you will also see the extensive mitigation measures that are required of any company conducting surveys, including a complete stop to any survey activities when there are whales in the area.

  • Misconception 5: Offshore wind companies are “paying” off scientists and other organizations.
Offshore wind companies are REQUIRED by the government to contribute money to marine mammal, bird, bat, fish, etc. research to monitor and mitigate the impacts from offshore wind. It is not necessarily because they want to. It is because they have no choice. Gotham Whale feels that these companies absolutely should be funding research activities, since they will ultimately be affecting the marine environment in some way. The offshore wind industry has millions of dollars to spend, so it should be put to good use.

It is not my intent to show support or otherwise for the windmills, but rather to bring some intelligent reasoning to the subject by way of science.
You can visit gothamwhale.org for additional information.Gotham Whale
CaptainOriginal Crew2,132 postsSince 2018
OVERBORED
Sponsored by Con Edison.......wait..... aren't they in the electricity business?
"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
Captain4,161 postsSince 2021
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"Sonar sounds have been linked to hearing loss, deadly mass strandings and interference with whales' communication with each other. One of the studies found that the distance the whales were from sonar sounds didn't matter — they generally fled whether they were close to or far from it."

Impacts of Navy sonar on whales and Dolphins
"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#284
There is a lot of misinformation circulating around the internet concerning the cause of death to marine mammals, and the windmill projects.
Following are some common misconceptions that are being spread.

    • Misconception 1: The SONAR used for the survey work could injure whales.
Gotham Whale bases all opinions on science. To date, there have been no published scientific studies that show that baleen whales become injured by the sonar equipment used by survey vessels. Survey work is conducted off NY and NJ constantly for many different industries (not just offshore wind). We have never seen the unprecedented increase in strandings as we have this winter. It is known that some types of sonar will cause minor changes in behavior such as stopping feeding and traveling out of the area. Therefore, the permitting process for any survey work requires independent observers onboard, and survey companies MUST shut down the sonar when there are whales around. This is required in their permitting, and if they don’t do this, they are subject to significant fines for violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act. One would expect that these companies would want to strictly follow the rules, since they are now currently in the public eye, in light of the recent increase in strandings.

    • Misconception 2: The SONAR could interfere with the whale’s echolocation, disrupt the navigation abilities of the whales and make them prone to ship strike.
The majority of whales recently washed ashore are baleen whales that DO NOT USE echolocation for navigation or communication. It is only toothed whales that have this capacity. Again, similar to above, there have been no published scientific studies that show that the type of sonar being used by survey vessels around the world could affect baleen whales’ navigation ability.

Gotham Whale has contacted OSW representatives directly and asked for assurance that their operations are not harmful to the whales. Asked, “How can we be sure you are conducting these activities safely for the whales?” The answer was, “Because it is the LAW.”

Remember, the permitting process is a rigorous proposal that the developers must outline their methods and practices for review by stakeholders. There is public review and comment periods to ensure concerns are met. If they violate the conditions of the permit, they are subject to fines and penalties under the Law. Gotham Whale accepts that the operators are complying with their permits, unless we are given evidence otherwise.

  • Misconception 3: Whales would be able to avoid vessels if they were not disoriented by SONAR. Dolphins play in bow wake and are therefore safe from vessel collision.
Research indicates that speed is a major factor in the likelihood and severity of ship strike. While size is a factor, even small vessels and jet skis can cause injury or mortality for wildlife. Additionally, approaching ships may be difficult for a whale to detect because the sound of a large vessel’s engine can be blocked by the hull. This is called the “bow null effect”.

Dolphins are often observed surfing in the wake from a vessel’s bow. This does not mean they are never hit by vessels. NOAA’s viewing marine life guidelines specifically warn against intentionally trying to to initiate bow riding. If marine mammals do initiate, it’s important to avoid sudden changes in speed or direction

  • Misconception 4: Offshore wind companies are currently allowed to “take” and therefore kill marine mammals.
A “take” does not have to mean kill. NOAA also defines any type of behavioral change as a “take.” This means that if a whale is in the area and it decides to stop feeding and come over to check out your boat, that would be considered as a “take.” Therefore, conducting ANY type of construction or research activity that could cause whales to change their behavior requires a “take” authorization. There is a type of “take” authorization that does include potential serious injury or mortality to whales, but to date these have NOT been issued to any company for offshore wind surveys. This means that if their activities do cause any serious injury or mortality, they are subject to fines and other consequences. The type of “take” MUST be specified in the permit application. The active permit applications for current surveys are publicly available and clearly state that the authorizations requested are non-lethal. Additionally, in these permit applications, you will also see the extensive mitigation measures that are required of any company conducting surveys, including a complete stop to any survey activities when there are whales in the area.

  • Misconception 5: Offshore wind companies are “paying” off scientists and other organizations.
Offshore wind companies are REQUIRED by the government to contribute money to marine mammal, bird, bat, fish, etc. research to monitor and mitigate the impacts from offshore wind. It is not necessarily because they want to. It is because they have no choice. Gotham Whale feels that these companies absolutely should be funding research activities, since they will ultimately be affecting the marine environment in some way. The offshore wind industry has millions of dollars to spend, so it should be put to good use.

It is not my intent to show support or otherwise for the windmills, but rather to bring some intelligent reasoning to the subject by way of science.
You can visit gothamwhale.org for additional information.Gotham Whale

Sorry my good friend, but there are 1000's of these produced by Chatgpt to change the narrative.

I'll keep going back to the fact that the govt has approved the killing of these whales. That is a FACT, not spin. Now as the govt predicted, whales are dying.

For the life of me, I just don't understand anyone not getting that.
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#285
Another dead dolphin washed ashore in NJ.

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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#286
This is a great piece that was filmed a year ago. So far, everything he has predicted has happened. He also brings up many points we have yet to even consider. It continues to get worse and worse.

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This is a great piece that was filmed a year ago. So far, everything he has predicted has happened. He also brings up many points we have yet to even consider. It continues to get worse and worse.

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All someone like myself is asking for is that all the entities involved take a pause and look into this issue.

We don't know if new, untested sonar technology is being used. Maybe the waves are stronger affecting much larger areas than previous ones. Maybe drillings are louder and just maybe these animals have a tolerance that has been exceeded.

We don't know. The data we see is from older studies. Same way we don't know how all these wind farms will affect the currents that run along our coast. Will they slow them down? Redirect? Will the bays suffer as a result?

Like you said it gets worse and worse. Once this is done it will be virtually impossible to undo it. Why not take a few months to reassess. The mammoth scale of these projects and the time they will take to get them done makes me sceptical and concerned.
"Chance only favors the prepared mind" - Pasteur
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dsedy
dsedyFREE2023#288
Interesting: I was watching The Smithsonian Channel last night: Might Cruise Ships. Season 4 Episode 7 on the Roald Amundsen which is a Hybrid diesel/electric vessel. It was cruising around Antartica taking guests to various places and excursions on the ice pack.
Anyways, towards the end of the segment they approached an area in the sea where a large whale was observed, 1 whale on the surface. the captain, knowing the area harbored more whales, shut down the diesel engines and switched to electric power and soon the ship propelled through the water silently.

Within minutes, a pod of whales surfaced, maybe 7-10 of them. Very smart mammals. Sound is their primary communication and navigation method. External sound, both on and below the surface has an impact on them, whether baleen whales (who's communication is Low frequency) or toothed whales (high frequency) .

www.smithsonianchannel.com

Mighty Cruise Ships - Roald Amundsen | Smithsonian Channel

Guests and crew channel the namesake of the Roald Amundsen as they bravely navigate Antarctica's dangerous seas and icy weather to reach beautiful, otherworldly islands.
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". . . his eye caught splashing on the surface of the water over a mile away, a little north of his course, so he steered closer to get a better view. As the Holdfast got nearer he could see that it was a Whale desperately thrashing about on the surface, slapping its tail, and even rolling over at one point. It seemed to him that the whale had surfaced and couldn’t submerge itself, like it was trying to get out of the water. As he drew closer he took video of the hapless mammal as it frantically swam south . . . "
from - Distressed Whale spotted near offshore wind survey vessel – Jim Lovgren
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#290

Federal Regulator Acknowledges Danger To Wildlife Caused By Offshore Wind Farms​


A federal fisheries council acknowledged that some power cables for offshore wind turbines could harm certain fish, according to a letter seen by the DCNF.

Multiple recent studies have demonstrated that a variety of commercially popular fish can be negatively impacted by their exposure to magnetic fields emitted by high voltage direct current cables, which can confuse their ability to navigate and in some cases leave them exposed to predators.

“We were previously aware of this study and agree that it has concerning implications for the possible effects of high voltage direct current cabling on larval behavior and resulting predation rates,” Thomas Nies, executive director of the New England Fishery Management Council (NEFMC), said in a January 18 letter.

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pequa1
pequa1MODnoreaster.com2023#291
and there goes fluke and weakfishing in the bays, if not all the way out to federal waters...
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#292
A panel of experts testifying to members of Congress at an in-district hearing in Wildwood, New Jersey, warned that offshore wind projects actively promoted and subsidized by state and national Democrats could greatly interfere with radar and navigation in the Atlantic Ocean, creating a national security threat.

The panel included environmentalists, fishing industry experts, and advocates with working experience at the Department of Energy. Several noted concerns with maritime territory designated for wind farms apparently getting in the way of Pentagon and NASA operations. Another noted that the farms’ potential interference with ship radar could damage U.S. Coast Guard activities, including rescue missions. Another concern raised was the possibility of cargo ships, particularly those carrying oil or chemicals, being unable to navigate the seas and colliding, causing an environmental catastrophe.
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#293
This map is for all Recreational Fisherman who fish in Wilmington or Baltimore Canyons. You will be traveling right through the middle of them. This will not be good in the dark or fog!

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wader
waderFREE2023#294
We've got another one...........
For the rest of the story scroll over to the left & down to # 5 & click
"Well, it's alright.
.............even if you're old and gray."
"Well, it's alright.
............you still got something to say."
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#295

Orsted seeks 'no sail zones' in three countries after blades fall at Danish offshore wind farm​

Turbine maker Siemens Gamesa investigates as global development giant requests exclusion areas around Anholt project and others in UK and Germany.

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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#296
We've got another one...........
For the rest of the story scroll over to the left & down to # 5 & click
Don't worry. It's a natural occurrence. The fact that the govt gave permission to kill these majestic creatures, had nothing to do with these deaths. It's just a coincidence.

It's just keeps getting worse.
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WhatKnot
WhatKnotFREE2023#297
Where are the Ralph Naders of the world when you need them. 😡

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Be Safe
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Orsted seeks 'no sail zones' in three countries after blades fall at Danish offshore wind farm​

Turbine maker Siemens Gamesa investigates as global development giant requests exclusion areas around Anholt project and others in UK and Germany.

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Who could have seen this coming!!!🤔👎💩

Pretty soon we won't need the MPA's (Marine Protective Areas) like California. In the interest of our personal safety, they will just restrict all activity within a thousand miles of their precious windmills!

And to add insult to injury did anyone see the Newsday article yesterday about the extra transmission lines they need to add to the grid to transport all that energy from the windfarms to all us lucky customers? Guess who will be footing the bill for those?

Was it Khruschev who said "we will be selling ourselves the rope with which we will hang ourselves"? 😈
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george
georgeADMINnoreaster.com2023#299
IF THIS DOESN'T STOP THIS LUNACY, NOTHING WILL!

- A joint study by two federal government scientific agencies and the commercial fishing industry documents numerous impacts that offshore wind power projects have on fish and marine mammals, including noise, vibration, electromagnetic fields and heat transfer that could alter the marine environment.
It comes as the offshore wind industry is poised to grow rapidly on the U.S. East Coast, where it is facing growing opposition from those who blame it for killing whales — something numerous scientific agencies say is not true.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management and the Responsible Offshore Development Alliance issued their report Wednesday after a 2 1/2-year-long study of the impacts existing offshore wind projects have on fish and marine mammals.
The goal was to solidify existing knowledge of the impacts and call for further research in many areas.
NOAA and BOEM are among agencies that say there is no link between offshore wind preparation and whale deaths. Their co-authorship of a report detailing potential negative impacts on fish and marine mammals may intensify an already highly politicized controversy.
Asked Friday about the likelihood of this happening, NOAA spokesperson Lauren Gaches reiterated the agency's position that offshore wind is not causing the whale deaths, which remain under investigation.
“We will also continue to explore how sound, vessel, and other human activities in the marine environment impact whales and other marine mammals,” she said.
The fishing industry is concerned that fish near construction sites may be killed or chased away for prolonged periods even after the turbines are built, according to the report.
“Physical changes associated with (offshore wind) developments will affect the marine environment — and, subsequently, the species that live there — to varying degrees,” the report read. ”These include construction and operation noise and vibration, electromagnetic fields, and thermal radiation from cables, as well as secondary gear entanglement.
In an interview, Fiona Hogan, research director for the Responsible Offshore Development Alliance, said: "We wanted to document what was known and not known. As far as we know, this is the first cooperatively developed report that cites all aspects of the potential interactions between fisheries and offshore wind.”
The alliance is a fishing industry group trying to improve the compatibility of offshore wind with fishing operations.
The American Clean Power Association, an offshore wind industry group, said Friday it was still studying the 388-page report.
Andy Lipsky, who oversees the wind energy team at NOAA's Northeast Fisheries Science Center, is a co-author of the report. He said it helps the agencies define the type of monitoring required for long-term study of offshore wind's effects and points out "needed research on how offshore wind energy changes marine habitats and fisheries.”
Several concerns raised in the report mirror many of those raised by opponents of offshore wind, including those who blame preparation for offshore wind farms for killing whales along the East Coast. Since December, 30 whales have washed ashore there.
The report said offshore wind turbines can attract fish and marine life, but also repel them. The large underwater platforms are rapidly colonized by smaller marine life which in turn attracts larger predators to the area. Water cloudiness from turbine operations, noise, vibrations and electromagnetic fields could also make them leave the area.
Hogan said some disagreement remains on whether wind platforms will be a net attraction or deterrent to fish.
Regarding noise, the report said sounds emitted from pile-driving during construction “can be severe, resulting in mortality or injury of hearing tissues.” Noise levels from ongoing operation of the turbines once constructed “are not associated with direct physical injury, (but) long-term exposures may have negative effects on communication, foraging, and predator detection.”
In almost every instance, the report called for additional research. The study only dealt with fixed-location wind turbines; a second study will examine wind projects that float on the water's surface.
The $150,000 survey was funded by NOAA
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movetheboat
It's a study on POTENTIAL impact

NOAA spokesperson Lauren Gaches reiterated the agency's position that offshore wind is not causing the whale deaths, which remain under investigation.

In almost every instance, the report called for additional research

So there is no way this is definitive enough to stop it, but at least it is being investigated
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