Let's see your data please?
In Maine we're 70% vaccinated and the vast majority of hospitalizations are unvaccinated folks, that's a fact.
Twist it however you like, vaccinations help keep you out of the hospital better than not getting vaccinated and the data prove it.
It’s out there
Take your head out of your ass and go find it
I’m done playing nice
It’s out there
Take your head out of your ass and go find it
I’m done playing nice
Oh, what's a matter, you don't have it handy?? SHOCKING!! The stuff I've read has said the vaccinated Israelis don't get as sick or as often as the unvaccinated.
And I was expecting a great "Personal Experience" saga about the third cousin of a Kibbutz's arborist involved with the "Plant A Tree In Israel" program. What a let down...
I'm at a loss for words, besides the COVID "Hoax", a NASA-run Child Slave Colony on Mars??
[HEADING=2]Conspiracy theorist who held Belfast rally and called COVID-19 a hoax dies of COVID[/HEADING]
[pressherald.com/2021/08/30/conspiracy-theorist-who-hosted-belfast-event-dies-of-covid-19/]('https://www.pressherald.com/2021/08/30/conspiracy-theorist-who-hosted-belfast-event-dies-of-covid-19/')
By Scott Thistle August 30, 2021
A far-right conspiracy theorist who hosted a July rally in Belfast where he called COVID-19 a “hoax” has died in a Florida hospital after contracting the virus.
Robert David Steele, a former CIA officer, who had also claimed NASA is operating a child slave colony on Mars, rallied a large crowd at the Crosby Center in Belfast on July 27. Steele was joined by a delegation of Maine conservative notables as well, including Christiane Northrup of Yarmouth and state Rep. Heidi Sampson, R-Alfred.
Multiple media sources in Maine and nationally are reporting Steele’s death, which appeared to be confirmed by his supporters on social media, who are now saying he was murdered by opponents seeking to silence him.
Steele appeared at the rally in Belfast with Sampson as part of nationwide tour by the group Arise USA, which has been critical of COVID-19 restrictions and alleges 2020 election fraud.
Steele and Sampson both called for a “forensic audit” of Maine’s 2020 election results during the rally, despite there being no evidence of any disparities or even widespread complaints about Maine’s 2020 election results.
Sampson did not immediately return a phone message left for her Monday afternoon.
On Aug. 17, Steele posted a photo of himself in a Florida hospital wearing an oxygen mask and predicted he would survive. “With love to you all I survived!” Steele wrote. “I went in at 77 oxygenation. I’m up to 94. I will not take the vaccination, though I did test positive for whatever they’re calling ‘COVID’ today, but the bottom line is that my lungs are not functioning.”
On Sunday, [anti-vaccination advocate Mark Tassi posted a video on Instagram announcing Steele’s death]('https://www.instagram.com/p/CTLKc6FlHyt/'). “It was the typical respiratory thing,” Tassi said, noting he was suspicious of Steele’s death and later said it was an effort to discredit Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, who has faced increasing criticism for his administration’s response to the pandemic.
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Oh, what's a matter, you don't have it handy?? SHOCKING!! The stuff I've read has said the vaccinated Israelis don't get as sick or as often as the unvaccinated.
And I was expecting a great "Personal Experience" saga about the third cousin of a Kibbutz's arborist involved with the "Plant A Tree In Israel" program. What a let down...I’ll
i know only you and your information are valid
you should consider moving to
Onacock with wader
Peas in a pod
Nope I don’t file all the information away neatly to produce it for you
I don’t really care to lay it all out for you
you get off on that shit
all well and good
Not my thing
just get back in your dingy and go abuse a bass all by your lonesome
So, you can't produce what doesn't exist? You certainly can talk the talk, but can't even crawl the walk!!
Speaks volumes of the depth and quality, or lack thereof, of the BS you spew...
And yes, I'll certainly be in my boat bass fishing tomorrow AM, a trip and early retirement funded by a career in science...
i know only you and your information are valid
You couldn't be more wrong there. I love to learn and new, valid information is most appreciated. Your personal recollections and experience don't qualify here. A citation from an Israeli medical journal would be of utmost interest to me. I just asked you to support your claim, if that bothers you, then you obviously can't support that claim, can you???
On the other hand, you consistently try to debunk published information if it doesn't fit you "Personal Experience", so who's the bigger loser here???
No you like most of your kind
Like to pretend your interested
You can say it all you like
But everything you type says otherwise
Hey don’t take it the wrong way
I don’t doubt there’s some validity to your data
I don’t doubt that shots have a useful place in the fight
my issue is with forcing them on anyone
My issue is with the fact us the jury’s still out on the long term effects and benifits of getting jabbed
my issue is with ridiculing any one that isn’t on board with getting one
my issue is with laughing at the suffering of others that didn’t get it
you want it take it
If it works as it should youll be fine
but the techniques and tactics being pushed by you and wader and the rest are not going to work here and certainly are not going to work in general
In truth the have the exact opposite effect they drive ppl away from your cause
but you guys won’t stop
You are the faithful
Carry on
Oops
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What time is the party you and Wader are throwing for your celebration of death.
Let me know so I can send a few other participants
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Why time is the party you and Wader are throwing for your celebration of death.
Let me know so I can send a few other participants
Sorry Jack, we give Darwin awards around here all the time.
Sorry Jack, we give Darwin awards around here all the time.
And there in lies the problem
You think your the arbiter of Smart
And have O compunction about calling ppl that disagree with you stupid
News flash
Most folks on here of about the same intelligence level
Some slight more or less educated but basically on the same socio economic level
They simply disagree with you and have plenty conflicting evidence to form their opinions with
A few of you really need to get the fuck off your high horses
Especially the ones with moderator in front of their names
Nah strike that since almost everyone that chats here holds that title
It would get boring without you
carry on
Sorry Jack, we give Darwin awards around here all the time.
If you really gave a shit about this guy you would have posted where it belongs.
”whoever smelt it, delt it’
typically the people giving out the awards are peers of the recipient.
good luck with that.
my issue is with forcing them on anyone
My issue is with the fact us the jury’s still out on the long term effects and benifits of getting jabbed
Once again you are in error, I've never forced anyone to get vaccinated. I only post data showing the reasons why one should get vaccinated and have posted things about side effects and how folks can access the Adverse Events Database to get their own data for an informed decision.
You can talk with our General on this. He and I have had long conversations about the vaccine and at the end of everyone I've recommended he get vaccinated, but have never ridiculed him about not getting it, nor putting undo pressure on him to do it. He's an adult and can choose for himself.
Vaccination, especially now that they'll all soon be fully-licensed, will become more and more of an "Admission Ticket" to travel, employment, education, entertainment, etc. in certain instances. You can still choose not to get vaccinated which may mean limitations in those areas, your choice. It's a choice that has consequences and these consequences will become more and more onerous, and that's something I point out so folks can make an informed choice. As I've said many times before, it's a Risk/Benefit decision...
There you go again
Saying one thing
while what you type says different
didn’t you defend joking about some un Vaxed person dying
I’m very sure you’ve ridiculed several ppl for not agreeing with your opinion
wanna be neutral be neutral wanna post your charts and facts do so
leave the rest of it on the side
Or own it
You don’t want to own it
So everything you do is tainted to a lot of us
Stop the shaming be a neutral arbiter I might gain a modicum of respect for you
And your opinions
There you go again
Saying one thing
while what you type says different
didn’t you defend joking about some un Vaxed person dying
I’m very sure you’ve ridiculed several ppl for not agreeing with your opinion
wanna be neutral be neutral wanna post your charts and facts do so
leave the rest of it on the side
Or own it
You don’t want to own it
So everything you do is tainted to a lot of us
Stop the shaming be a neutral arbiter I might gain a modicum of respect for you
And your opinions
Only people who made a stink on social media about why others shouldn't be vaccinated. They were spouting garbage and may have made others make a poor decision causing their deaths from COVID. When this happens, they have blood on their hands.
So yes, I enjoy the irony of Karma making someone deal with the consequence of their decision IF they have tried to influence others to do likewise. Never make fun of folks who quietly make their decision, only mourn them and find folks deaths who were wrongly steered in the direction even a more tragic event.
No matter who did it
It’s wrong and diminishes your credibility
And I think if you look back closely over the last few months you’ll find some examples of you Ridiculing a few members here that disagree with you
you spin it nicely , great writing skills can cover a multitude of sins
Unfortunate for both of us my reading comprehension always been much much better than my writing
No matter who did it
It’s wrong and diminishes your credibility
And I think if you look back closely over the last few months you’ll find some examples of you Ridiculing a few members here that disagree with you
you spin it nicely , great writing skills can cover a multitude of sins
Unfortunate for both of us my reading comprehension always been much much better than my writing
Only when they cannot provide DATA or SOURCES that support their position.
Sound familiar??? Oh yeah, I know that Israel data is out there, but you just can be bothered to find it...
[HEADING=2]Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta[/HEADING]
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties[/URL]
"The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher."
The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, [posted yesterday on medRxiv]('https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1'). “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 . “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”
Study here:
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.scribd.com/document/521947447/2021-08-24-21262415v1-full#from_embed[/URL]
This is from Public Health England dated August 20, 2021:
Pages 22-23 (the earlier tables also document how non-lethal Delta is)
Total Delta cases 386,735
Unvaccinated 183,133
Vaccinated 203,602
Total fatalities 1,189 (0.3%)
Unvaccinated fatalities 390 (0.2%)
Vaccinated fatalities 679 (0.33%)
So.....vaccinated dying at 1.66x rate of unvaccinated.
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