Coronavirus

It boggles the mind the attack on a guy who devoted his life to public service and the saving of lives, and the idolization of the most vile useless human being on the planet whose only concern is himself.

And Fauci writes also and then points to those articles as facts ?. Suckers ?

Wrap some of the fish you don't catch in your tinfoil and bake it.

I read multiple papers that were published after the 2003 SARS outbreak, warning that the world needed to be prepared for another similar virus, and there were many groups examining and this potential. A major US pandemic preparedness effort in 2017 concluded that we were adequately prepared, so yes scientists involved predicted that another one would happen.

Here's one fact check on your blurb... [VERIFY: In 2017 Fauci said Trump would face a surprise outbreak, but he didn't predict COVID-19]('https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-fauci-said-trump-would-face-surprise-outbreak-didnt-predict-covid-19/65-b5ac71a8-b0d7-458e-af82-acedbf8c6f61')

Author: Eliana Block
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Updated: 11:28 PM EDT May 19, 2020
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WASHINGTON D.C., DC — QUESTION:
Did Dr. Fauci say back in January 2017 that the incoming Trump administration would face a surprise disease outbreak?
ANSWER:
Yes. However, he was generally discussing what presidents face while in office, while speaking at a forum about pandemic preparedness. Fauci did not predict the COVID-19 pandemic.

Oh and the Time Cover Story in May, 2017 talked about a new pandemic. Never knew Dr. Fauci was an editor there...

[May 15th, 2017 | Vol. 189, No. 18 | U.S.]('https://time.com/magazine/us/4766607/may-15th-2017-vol-189-no-18-u-s/')

These were from August when no one catches. You know when your other Fauci (Skinner) says doldrums of summer.. Have close to 5000 from tagging last two years. Be happy to flood this thread with each ones pic if you like. Before they were released.

These were from August when no one catches. You know when your other Fauci (Skinner) says doldrums of summer.. Have close to 5000 from tagging last two years. Be happy to flood this thread with each ones pic if you like. Before they were released.

Glad you're catching, but a bit skeptical of your "5,000" claim. Did you accidently add an extra 0 or two there? Regardless, either 50, 500, or 5000 are impressive numbers these days...

Of course, if your claim is correct, then you shouldn't mind sending me your tagging logs so I can fact check them? I'm bored, boat won't be in the water until mid-April so I've got the time...

I've had a couple of > 1000 fish, but I get to fish just about every day because I'm retired. Those were exceptional seasons, a "normal" one is around 500. NFW I could fish this much if I was holding down a job...

These were from August when no one catches. You know when your other Fauci (Skinner) says doldrums of summer.. Have close to 5000 from tagging last two years. Be happy to flood this thread with each ones pic if you like. Before they were released.

You sound like one of those guys who catches more fish by accident than on purpose.

We were lucky to have Fauci. Just ask anyone who was in another country at the time of the pandemic.

Catching 30-36 an outing of a couple hours is the norm. Logs are sent to Littoral Society in NJ. Hers a few pics. I’m working.

Sorry your site won’t take more at the moment. Enjoy?

Catching 30-36 an outing of a couple hours is the norm. Logs are sent to Littoral Society in NJ. Hers a few pics. I’m working.

Sorry your site won’t take more at the moment. Enjoy?

Oh, 5,000 fish. I thought you meant 5,000 tagged bass as you mentioned your "tagging" logs, or is that the impression you wanted to leave? You are telling us that you spent $3,500 on tags, which is the rate for 5,000 fish @ $7/10 ALS tags?

Still think your 5,000 is overstated, but that's a fisherman's prerogative...

And Fauci writes also and then points to those articles as facts ?. Suckers ?

This from a person who loves to cite a new source that has "entertainers" that admit to lying on air.

Well here's the original paper that foretold the very real possibility of future Coronavirus epidemic and Dr. Fauci WAS NOT an author.

[HEADING=2]Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus as an Agent of Emerging and Reemerging Infection[/HEADING]
[Vincent C. C. Cheng]('https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Cheng%20VC%5BAuthor%5D'), [Susanna K. P. Lau]('https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Lau%20SK%5BAuthor%5D'), [Patrick C. Y. Woo]('https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Woo%20PC%5BAuthor%5D'), and [Kwok Yung Yuen]('https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Yuen%20KY%5BAuthor%5D')*

[Clin Microbiol Rev.]('https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2176051/#') 2007 Oct; 20(4): 660–694.
doi: [10.1128/CMR.00023-07]('https://doi.org/10.1128%2FCMR.00023-07')

I'll save you trying to read it, but here's the paragraph that in 2007, foretold a possible future contagion.

[HEADING=1]SHOULD WE BE READY FOR THE REEMERGENCE OF SARS?[/HEADING]
The medical and scientific community demonstrated marvelous efforts in the understanding and control of SARS within a short time, as evident by over 4,000 publications available online. Despite these achievements, gaps still exist in terms of the molecular basis of the physical stability and transmissibility of this virus, the molecular and immunological basis of disease pathogenesis in humans, screening tests for early or cryptic SARS cases, foolproof infection control procedures for patient care, effective antivirals or antiviral combinations, the usefulness of immunomodulatory agents for late presenters, an effective vaccine with no immune enhancement, and the immediate animal host that transmitted the virus to caged civets in the market at the beginning of the epidemic. Coronaviruses are well known to undergo genetic recombination ([375]('https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2176051/#r375')), which may lead to new genotypes and outbreaks. The presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.

And here's another potential fly in the ointment in the very convoluted origin equation. Don't have any details besides this news flash, but the fact that China was sensitive gives great pause...

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[TD][LEFT]Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.[/LEFT][/TD]
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I just want someone to explain why the Department of Energy was the one to state the lab origins of Covid-19. Were they working on the generators there or something?

OK, here's the new "Origins" twist. Like every other iteration on this topic, it's a big "Could've" event that's interesting, but far from definitive...

[HEADING=2][SIZE=7]New Data Links Pandemic’s Origins to Raccoon Dogs at Wuhan Market[/SIZE][/HEADING]
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.

An international team of virus experts said on Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

The genetic data was drawn from swabs taken from in and around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market starting in January 2020, shortly after the Chinese authorities had shut down the market because of suspicions that it was linked to the outbreak of a new virus. By then, the animals had been cleared out, but researchers swabbed walls, floors, metal cages and carts often used for transporting animal cages.

In samples that came back positive for the coronavirus, the international research team found genetic material belonging to animals, including large amounts that were a match for the raccoon dog, three scientists involved in the analysis said.

The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected. And even if a raccoon dog had been infected, it would not be clear that the animal had spread the virus to people. Another animal could have passed the virus to people, or someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog.

But the analysis did establish that raccoon dogs — fluffy animals that are related to foxes and are known to be able to transmit the coronavirus — deposited genetic signatures in the same place where genetic material from the virus was left, the three scientists said. That evidence, they said, was consistent with a scenario in which the virus had spilled into humans from a wild animal.

A report with the full details of the international research team’s findings has not yet been published. Their analysis was first reported by [The Atlantic]('https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/03/covid-origins-research-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-lab-leak/673390/').

The new evidence is sure to provide a jolt to the debate over the pandemic’s origins, even if it does not resolve the question of how it began.

In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a [new intelligence assessment]('https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/us/politics/china-lab-leak-coronavirus-pandemic.html') from the U.S. Department of Energy and [hearings]('https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/08/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-house-hearing.html') led by the new Republican House leadership.

But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.

Jeremy Kamil, a virologist at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport who was not involved in the study, said the findings showed that “the samples from the market that had early Covid lineages in them were contaminated with DNA reads of wild animals.”

Dr. Kamil said that fell short of conclusive evidence that an infected animal had set off the pandemic. But, he said, “it really puts the spotlight on the illegal animal trade in an intimate way.”

Chinese scientists had released a [study]('https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1370392/v1') looking at the same market samples in February 2022. That study had reported that samples were positive for the coronavirus but suggested that the virus had come from infected people who were shopping or working in the market, rather than from animals being sold there.
At some point, those same researchers, including some affiliated with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, posted the raw data from swabs around the market to GISAID, an international repository of genetic sequences of viruses. (Attempts to reach the Chinese scientists by phone on Thursday were not successful.)

On March 4, Florence Débarre, an evolutionary biologist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, happened to be searching that database for information related to the Huanan market when, she said in an interview, she noticed more sequences than usual popping up. Confused at first about whether they contained new data, Dr. Débarre put them aside, only to log in again last week and discover that they held a trove of raw data.

Virus experts had been awaiting that raw sequence data from the market since they learned of its existence in the Chinese report from February 2022. Dr. Débarre said she had alerted other scientists, including the leaders of a team that had published a set of studies last year pointing to the market as the origin.

An international team — which included Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona; Kristian Andersen, a virologist at the Scripps Research Institute in California; and Edward Holmes, a biologist at the University of Sydney — started mining the new genetic data last week.

One sample in particular caught their attention. It had been taken from a cart linked to a specific stall at the Huanan market that [Dr. Holmes had visited in 2014]('https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/21/health/covid-lab-leak-eddie-holmes.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article'), scientists involved in the analysis said. That stall, Dr. Holmes found, contained caged raccoon dogs on top of a separate cage holding birds, exactly the sort of environment conducive to the transmission of new viruses.

The swab taken from a cart there in early 2020, the research team found, contained genetic material from the virus and a raccoon dog.

“We were able to figure out relatively quickly that at least in one of these samples, there was a lot of raccoon dog nucleic acid, along with virus nucleic acid,” said Stephen Goldstein, a virologist at the University of Utah who worked on the new analysis. (Nucleic acids are the chemical building blocks that carry genetic information.)

After the international team stumbled upon the new data, they reached out to the Chinese researchers who had uploaded the files with an offer to collaborate, hewing to rules of the online repository, scientists involved with the new analysis said. After that, the sequences disappeared from GISAID.
It is not clear who removed them or why they were taken down.

Dr. Débarre said the research team was seeking more data, including some from market samples that were never made public. “What’s important is there’s still more data,” she said.

Scientists involved with the analysis said that some of the samples had also contained genetic material from other animals and from humans. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada, who worked on the analysis, said that the human genetic material was to be expected given that people were shopping and working there and that human Covid cases had been linked to the market.

Dr. Goldstein, too, cautioned that “we don’t have an infected animal, and we can’t prove definitively there was an infected animal at that stall.” Genetic material from the virus is stable enough, he said, that it is not clear when exactly it was deposited at the market. He said that the team was still analyzing the data and that it had not intended for its analysis to become public before it had released a report.

“But,” he said, “given that the animals that were present in the market were not sampled at the time, this is as good as we can hope to get.”

Found the origin.

Chit. I'm impressed that you can hold a fish and take a picture all while floating in a kayak!

And here I thought you had issues walking and chewing gum!

Found the origin.

How many of your tags have been returned? Most be a large number with those impressive tagging numbers. Have you caught and returned tags from any fish?

Interestingly enough, I've found 0 returns on fish you've tagged in the searchable ALS 2021 and 2020 data bases. That couldn't be possible, could it? In fairness, there's someone with a "Tom G." fishing out of the Delaware who has caught and returned tags from 2 stripers in 2021 and 2 fluke in 2020. Any relation?

How many of your tags have you returned? Most be a large number with those impressive tagging numbers.

Interestingly enough, I've found 0 returns on fish you've tagged in the searchable ALS 2021 and 2020 data bases. That couldn't be possible, could it?

Most certainly possible. My friend Gary got one back in five years. Zero have came back as to why I won’t pay to help a Woke group like them any more. I’m not a fan of where they want the tags placed so I put them ass close to the top of the back as possible. Maybe they rip out my way, dunno, don’t care. Ny sucks ass too. They could care less if or when they pick up the data. Seems every year they have a new kid in the unit. Don’t know why you think that’s a lot. Crap it’s typical to catch a few hundred in Salem Mass below you in a few days if you time the arrival right and that’s only going out about four hours a day and not knowing the area besides the four days a year I went. Oh and in a kayak. How far can we go?
Think I’ll wear a tinfoil hat for future pics for luck.

that loop tagging program is nonsense… high mortality rate…

try putting a micro chip in the fish cheek and let certified biologist do it… cellfish…

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. Don’t know why you think that’s a lot. Crap it’s typical to catch a few hundred in Salem Mass below you in a few days if you time the arrival right and that’s only going out about four hours a day

So you're catching a few hundred (300) fish in 4 hours? That means you're boating a fish every 75 seconds (300/4x60)*60), and that doesn't include time for unhooking, measuring, tagging, rerigging, if needed, and casting.

You must be quite efficient in your fishing, or really full of it.

I guess you've learned from the best how to tell a tale...

Holy cr@p! I came to a political debate and a fishing discussion broke out! :eek:

Holy cr@p! I came to a political debate and a fishing discussion broke out! :eek:

Why is that surprising? They're both usually full of BS and somewhere along the line somebody gets caught with hyperbole...